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GTX 580 Frozr II vs 580 Lightning overclocking ability?

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Hi, I know questions like these are lame, but I'm currently mulling what to do. I play games at 1920x1200, and currently have 2 5850s in CF that have given me nothing but trouble, so I'm looking to move to a single GPU solution. As for games, think anything from Battlefield 3 to the Witcher 2 to AC Brotherhood; basically everything. If it also matters, I plan on upgrading to Ivy Bridge when it comes out.

Basically, I was wondering about how the Frozr II compares to the Lightning in terms of overclocking potential, temps, etc, since I haven't found much info about that. I'm looking to replicate the 5850 CF as close as possible, and I know that the Lightning is an excellent OCer, but haven't heard much about the Frozr. I'm mainly asking because I got a really good deal on a Frozr, but I'm wondering if I should try to get a Lightning instead, or if the Frozr is good enough at overclocking that it's not worth the extra money/hassle.

Any thoughts or comments from Frozr II owners appreciated.
Edited by a_ak57 - 5/12/11 at 10:35am
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One word. Lightning! I can assure You it's woth the money
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One word. Lightning! I can assure You it's woth the money
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EDIT: Changed the original post.
Edited by a_ak57 - 5/12/11 at 10:36am
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I would imagine the Lightning would overclock better because MSI bins their gpus for their higher tiered models, but with that said, I think both cards would overclock well.

The lightning has a better cooler and more phase vrm's.

Basically it just boils down to how good of a deal you're getting on the other card. I made a mistake by buying a card that didn't overclock as well and only saved 20-30 dollars.. I ended up returning it and buying an MSI TFIII 570 (their highest tiered 570 model) and this thing overclocks very easily and still has headroom.
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I would imagine the Lightning would overclock better because MSI bins their gpus for their higher tiered models, but with that said, I think both cards would overclock well.

The lightning has a better cooler and more phase vrm's.

Basically it just boils down to how good of a deal you're getting on the other card. I made a mistake by buying a card that didn't overclock as well and only saved 20-30 dollars.. I ended up returning it and buying an MSI TFIII 570 (their highest tiered 570 model) and this thing overclocks very easily and still has headroom.
Well basically, I had ordered the $370 Lightning on Amazon (topic in Online Deals) but since it is OOS they cancelled the order. After haggling I was able to get them to price match the TFII since I figured it'd be better to try and get that, then possibly get nothing (since a ton of people ordered the Lightning, and there's no guarantee they'll bother to stock it again or even honor the price).

So in order to get a Lightning, I'd have to sell the TFII I bought and either get a used one or pay considerably more to buy a new one from newegg. OR, I could always wait and see if I'll be getting the $265 GTX 570 TFIII from amazon, since that hasn't been cancelled yet. I'm honestly starting to lean toward just using the 570 if that actually comes through and selling the TFII, simply because that would hold me over until the new line of cards comes out since I don't game a super high res.
Edited by a_ak57 - 5/12/11 at 5:06pm
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Well basically, I had ordered the $370 Lightning on Amazon (topic in Online Deals) but since it is OOS they cancelled the order. After haggling I was able to get them to price match the TFII since I figured it'd be better to try and get that, then possibly get nothing (since a ton of people ordered the Lightning, and there's no guarantee they'll bother to stock it again or even honor the price).

So in order to get a Lightning, I'd have to sell the TFII I bought and either get a used one or pay considerably more to buy a new one from newegg. OR, I could always wait and see if I'll be getting the $265 GTX 570 TFIII from amazon, since that hasn't been cancelled yet. I'm honestly starting to lean toward just using the 570 if that actually comes through and selling the TFII, simply because that would hold me over until the new line of cards comes out since I don't game a super high res.
If you get the TFIII for 265 then just keep that. It's really an amazing card and the overclocking headroom on it is fantastic. After it's all said and done (overclocked) it is basically the same speed as a 580 at stock.

My res is low and I'm still just as picky. I just haven't found a reason to upgrade my monitor because it is big enough for me. I would have got a sandy bridge already too since the price is so cheap (in relation to hardware a couple of years ago, the extreme cpus with unlocked multipliers were over 2 grand), but I just don't feel like reformatting at the moment.

The next serious upgrade I'll do will include a 2 or 3 monitor setup, that's for sure. If any of my posts were helpful please give me some rep. I want to be able to participate in the marketplace here eventually
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Getting a good GPU in the Lightning is pretty much hit or miss.

Mine...

In Crysis Warhead/Metro 2033 I seen no performance increase above 930MHz core. Memory didn't make much of a difference either. I was able to pass a 99x loop Crysis Warhead stability test at 930MHz core using 1.11V (measured, +62mV in Afterburner).

In 3DMark 11 I seen a constant ~50 point increase in my graphics score every 10MHz in core speed up to 970MHz. I couldn't run 3DMark 11 past 970MHz core.

In 3DMark 11 I seen a constant ~10 point increase in my graphics score every 25MHz (Afterburner, 12.5MHz GPU-Z) in memory speed up to 2450MHz (Afterburner, 1225MHz GPU-Z). I couldn't run 3DMark 11 past 2450MHz (Afterburner, 1225MHz GPU-Z) memory.

For the 970MHz 3DMark 11 run I went up to +100mV. It was just barely stable enough to finish the run. No matter how much more voltage (Core or PLL) I gave it, it wasn't any more stable at this speed nor could I run past 970MHz core. I had a much higher chance of completing the run if I let the Temps reach idle temps before starting the next run.

I believe if I could cool the card better (I.E. water), I may be able to squeeze a few more MHz out of the core for benching. My card idles at 35C in 23C ambient with poor airflow of the 600T to blame. I've seen someone else idle 26-28C (unknown ambients) in a HAF 932. Don't have any load temps to compare.


3DMark 11 772MHz Core (Ref 580): P6240
3DMark 11 832MHz Core (MSI 580 Lightning): P6629
3DMark 11 930MHz Core (My max stable): P7299

~3FPS in Crysis from 832 -> 930
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