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http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/11/us-...eling-station/

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America’s first pipeline-fed, retail hydrogen fueling station opened in Torrance, California, within Los Angeles county on Tuesday. The station will provide hydrogen for fuel cell and hybrid vehicles in the area. It was built through a joint effort by Toyota, Air Products and Shell alternative energies, with funding from the South Coast Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD) and the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE). The station’s first customer was the owner of a Honda FCX Clarity.
And so, it begins!
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Hoorah!!!!!!
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now we just need a whole bunch more nuclear power plants producing electricity and hydrogen, using hydrogen for generating power and supplementing electricity during peak load times and then piping the excess to homes and stations like this

oh wait, we're still decades away from anything like that ever happening
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That's it, I'm moving. Between this and the recent fusion power stories, we could see some serious turnaround in the next 20 years on energy. HYDROGEN FOREVER!
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So it seems there is no economic advantage from this technology so far? It's purely for the environment, correct? I'm honestly just curious, as I know next to nothing about this.
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Split the hydrogen!
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now we just need a whole bunch more nuclear power plants producing electricity and hydrogen, using hydrogen for generating power and supplementing electricity during peak load times and then piping the excess to homes and stations like this

oh wait, we're still decades away from anything like that ever happening
We still have more nuclear power plants than any other country on earth.

Hydrogen, traditionally, cost more fuel than it saves.

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So it seems there is no economic advantage from this technology so far? It's purely for the environment, correct? I'm honestly just curious, as I know next to nothing about this.
Not it's just as bad on the environment as Petrol, Coal, and Natural Gas.

Because there is no safe place to store hydrogen, facilities have to be built at great distances and transported by truck which burns diesel, negating the advantages of hydrogen.

Building a giant pipeline isn't viable for most areas.
Edited by BizzareRide - 5/12/11 at 12:22pm
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Hydrogen, traditionally, cost more fuel than it saves.
At the moment, yes. But start doing something like using solar / wind power to generate it on a local basis (as in on the roof of your house) and we can at least reduce our dependency on oil and gas.



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Because there is no safe place to store hydrogen, facilities have to be built at great distances and transported by truck which burns diesel, negating the advantages of hydrogen.
I don't see why not, hydrogen is difficult to store but not impossible, and it is actually safer than storing gasoline. If a hydrogen tank goes up then all the heat and gas escapes straight up. An oil fire spreads sideways, which can cause much more damage.

Oh, and hydrogen tanks don't normally explode, they burn. For an explosion you need to mix the fuel with the right amount of air before igniting. Hydrogen fires are so quick that they make this unlikely compared to gasoline fires.

All the power stations I worked on have large hydrogen gas storage tanks on site as it is used to cool large generators. One site I was on had a containment breach on the generator shaft end, more damage was caused by the burning oil from the seal spraying everywhere than from the hydrogen, which just made a nice scorch pattern on the roof. Incidentally, it was the oil landing on an exposed electrical contact which caused ignition, not the H2.

Also, if you are going for large centralized storage, why not make the delivery trucks run on hydrogen? Problem solved two ways!
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It's not the idea of just burning a substance for combustion that makes it dirty for the environment. There's a bunch of factors, like it's a clean burning fuel. Same with diesel, it burns cleaner than gas. In all honesty trucks moving hydrogen burning diesel to power cars is still cleaner than powering cars with gasoline.
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What kind of milage do you get on hydrogen? and how many miles average per 'tank'?
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