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I've had enough. Its not that I don't like Linux, its that I'm sick of the lack of quality.


Now that Gnome has moved on there isn't a single DE that offers a stable user experience. After 3 weeks of constant experimentation I've tried, and summarily rejected pretty much every combination of DE/WM.

Openbox and its many variants is extremely transparent and will let you customize every aspect of it, but there isn't a whole lot there to customize, and the panel implementations are all fairly amateurish.

XFCE is fairly close to Gnome 2, but its just too simple, and it annoying to have to work around it's limitations.

KDE is great. Good design, tons of features, but it still extremely buggy, and just a tad to slow. When you're just using your own applications its great, but messing around with the menus and built in apps I'm averaging around 15 program crashes a day. I can even do it on demand.


And the wireless. Gnome 2 and networkmanager was simple. It worked most of the time, apart from a few random failures. But in KDE I have to spend 5-10 minutes every time I turn my computer on, figuring out why my wireless won't connect, because it rarely ever just works. KDE's networkmanagement widget is terrible, and the GTK version, nm-applet hasn't worked properly since the move to Gnome 3. Often I'll put my laptop to sleep, and resume it a minute later and it will refuse to connect. Its simply unacceptable.



Again, its not that I don't like linux. Its just that it never seems to work right. Its fine on a desktop, since it tends to stay in one place, on a stable internet connection, and you aren't constantly putting it to sleep to save battery, but do you know how annoying it is to resume your laptop only to find that your wireless no longer works? Or that one of your plasma widgets stopped working? or that your sound stopped working?


I'm sorry, but its just not worth it. I'd rather deal with the crappy Windows command line and registry and lack of personalization. At least I have stable wireless, a decent video driver, and a working flash player.
    
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did you try the #! openbox set up? its pretty nice actually tahts what i use i like it...

as for wireless, have you tried wicd? i dunno much about wireless managers in linux, but thats the one i use on backtrack and it works great

you could also try stuff like tiling WM's and different things like that...

or if you really dont mind the existing glitches in gnome2 just install that again, you still can its not like some one is there to smack you across the face with a stop sign if you try
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wicd isn't any better than network manager, and it has issues with my university's wireless.

Tiling WMs don't tend to play well with certain applications.

Eg, awesome treats Chrome differently than it does nautilus.


The main problem is that right now we have Qt, Gtk2, Gtk3 and you'll probably need to use all of them.


I guess its just growing pains. We're transitioning from Gtk2 to Gtk3, and its messing a lot of stuff up. Maybe once Gnome 3 matures (I hope) things will stabilize.
    
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You're running Arch; all of the problems you are having are normal for such a distribution (rolling release). "Quality" is highly variable from day to day.

You may be better served by running a distro which keeps things a bit more stable.
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kde+plasma working flawlessly for me in slack64.
Even better than my previous-fave-slack DroplineGnome; the ONLY gnome implementation I ever liked.

just do what I do and only boot into 'Doze for 'Doze-specific tasks - gaming+cubase
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After years of experience with linux, using it on a daily basis out of necessity, I agree with your reasons wholeheartedly.

I feel that, when compared to an OS like W7, all distros and window managers lack in terms of ease of use and stability in a desktop environment. Linux evangelists will throw all sorts of "well you obviously haven't [insert ridiculous statement here]" at me, I know - but I have over a decade of experience in linux, and I feel I'm as entitled as anyone else to make a statement based upon personal opinion.

I apologise if this starts a crapstorm, but it's what I truly believe.
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nathris come out from under the arch. And put on a nice Fedora or wear some slack.

But I don't understand how so many people seem to think Gnome was much better than KDE or the other DEs. I only had the UNR version of Gnome work without serious crashes.
Edited by Rookie1337 - 5/12/11 at 2:24pm
     
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Yeah, ummm why don't you set up your wireless manually. I had to do that in arch as nothing worked right in arch, now all I do is bring back wpa_suppliment manually and do a dhcp on wlan0! I have it all in a script, there was a post about it earlier.

Honestly, if you don't like Gnome3 stick with Gnome2. If the OS is buggy/unstable welcome to rolling release! Go with set releases, something more stable that has known issues fixed.

[edit] By manually I mean edit all the networking files, put your wpa key in manually too. wpa_supplement has a gui for this too, though I found it annoying and created the files myself.

[edit2] If you have to set up any hardware after your initial setup you didn't set things correctly. If they won't stay set then you might need to edit it into files so it becomes the "default".
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After years of experience with linux, using it on a daily basis out of necessity, I agree with your reasons wholeheartedly.

I feel that, when compared to an OS like W7, all distros and window managers lack in terms of ease of use and stability in a desktop environment. Linux evangelists will throw all sorts of "well you obviously haven't [insert ridiculous statement here]" at me, I know - but I have over a decade of experience in linux, and I feel I'm as entitled as anyone else to make a statement based upon personal opinion.

I apologise if this starts a crapstorm, but it's what I truly believe.
Well you obviously haven't waved a dead chicken over your Linux installation.
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At times I feel the same way but honsetly every other OS has some problem that keeps me from switching or giving up on Linux as my main. Honestly every os sucks in some way.
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