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Linux Mint has been OS of choice since Ubuntu went downhill. I am using 9 since I can't seem to get a valid download of 10 so far.
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LMDE reminded me why I moved away from Debian-based distros.

Doing an initial system upgrade, and the update manager froze 90 minutes in, after 10 minutes of fighting with it just to get it to perform the update.



Is it too much to ask for a non-rolling version of Arch?
    
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post #53 of 118
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It turns out that even though I installed the 64-bit version using the 64-bit installation media, it configured apt with the 32-bit repos.

Debian only releases an update once every 2 years, and they can't even get something as basic as "64 bit repos go with the 64 bit release" down? Pathetic.
For all the major mirrors there aren't any arch specific repo's in debian. You CANT mess that up.

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/gnome/download
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deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/gnome/download
Code:
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main
Honestly, you just can't mess that up. The only thing that might have happened is that your install got borked. They don't make those types of mistakes, honestly that's the entire philosophy behind Debian. Bug free working software that doesn't fail. I can only think you got a bad burn or borked your install, it is in no way possible. The mirrors you chose might, very unlikely, have had only one arch in them but that would be some obscure mirror that never gets used. [edit] Everything official has multiple libs/archs.

As far as WEP, it's because to become the "main" branch and be labled as stable the software has to be bug free. Extensive testing goes through that software, it has to be stable for so long before they consider it. Two years ago wifi wasn't even in the installer.

If you would have posted the errors you were getting I could have helped you get it all fixed, I've ran debian for over 6 years now. It's more rock solid than anything you can find. You should have used a Testing installer and not a Stable one for starters, testing generally isn't that far behind mainstream and is about as stable as every distro out there. Unstable is only 6 months behind and has a stability hither than Arch, though it tends to have bugs (edit: minor to non-existent). The extremely fatal and buggy software is in Experimental but it's literally experimental.

I honestly recommend a person starting out with Testing and to try and dabble with Unstable, it's really not that risky.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/15/11 at 12:18am
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Yea... The Hundred Gunner had the exact same problem.

Whether it was arch specific or not doesn't really matter. The point is, by default if you don't have internet access your source list is unusable.


And this whole bug free thing is bogus too. WEP isn't bug free. Its not even secure. I could probably use my phone to hack into a WEP encrypted network in under 5 seconds (but that would be a massive waste of time because NOBODY uses WEP.)
    
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why can't linux mount all your drives at boot?
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For some reason, it mounts only the main drive, and to mount the other two, I have to mount them by opening them (it takes a while, that's why I wonder why it doesn't happen automatically)

What distro are you using mushroomboy?

I'm definitely no Linux guru but my secondary master drive (IDE) is mounted on boot & always has been, I've never had to edit/alter any configuration parameter or file which is great because I still struggle with some of that (thank goodness for online tutorials), but right now what I'm enjoying most with my latest distro is "hassle free" read/write access to my Windows drive (yes I admit to using Windows ) something I had difficulty doing under previous versions of Ubuntu (read only access).
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I know it was mentioned but perhaps giving a different distro a try?

I really like #! CrunchBang Linux x64. They just switched from Ubuntu derive destro to Debian I believe.

Perhaps moving away from Arch would be good for you and dual-booting with Windows won't be that bad.

Just a heads up though, back in 9.0 alpha network management always kind of sucked. I did find a solution and it was to disable the "power saving" feature of the wifi card. For some reason (like hibernate can make things all fubar) it goes to sleep after a little inactivity and doesn't like to be woken up.

Anyways check out CrunchBang.

I <3 Conky + Openbox. Increases the software e-peen exponentially.
Edited by RagingCain - 5/15/11 at 7:35am
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LMDE is Linux Mint, but based on Debian instead of Ubuntu.

Its a good distro, except that I can't stand apt. The update manager is still as broken as it was last time I used Ubuntu. I'd rather have no package manager than a broken one.
    
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Yea... The Hundred Gunner had the exact same problem.

Whether it was arch specific or not doesn't really matter. The point is, by default if you don't have internet access your source list is unusable.


And this whole bug free thing is bogus too. WEP isn't bug free. Its not even secure. I could probably use my phone to hack into a WEP encrypted network in under 5 seconds (but that would be a massive waste of time because NOBODY uses WEP.)
Your source list is only bad if you don't add a mirror and you don't have internet. That's because it's ment to reflect the source in which you used to install the system. The computer doesn't know you have internet, it doesn't assume. I could see you crying if it assumed you had internet and made you wait (edit: then times out, making you wait till it does), you would want an option to disable it. When it doesn't assume and you get the option to enable it (disable it by doing nothing) you still complain.

[edit] As for the WEP thing, obviously there was a problem implementing higher encryption. I'm pretty sure the maintainers of Debian go through more code in a day than you can imagine. They know what's going on, the distro is one of the oldest distro's out there. [last seccond thought] Also, if you don't like it you can always download a larger iso and just install from that.

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What distro are you using mushroomboy?
Debian/Arch. I'm betting his fstab isn't set up to automatically mount them at the start. Either it's not set properly or they aren't set up to auto-mount at boot. My spare /mnt/spare mounts before I go into dolphin and click on it. If I didn't manually set it up, even in arch, it won't auto-mount at boot. It will auto-mount when I click on it but that gives me the same delay as the other guy was describing. Put the details in fstab and it will mount at boot every time.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/15/11 at 11:00am
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Is it too much to ask for a non-rolling version of Arch?
This is what I want, just something with tools like the AUR, pacman, etc, there's a lot of great stuff with Arch but the rolling release just tends to make stuff troublesome, I like rolling release as an idea, but what about staying a few months behind the actual bleeding edge? Maybe release with each new major kernel version, apart from security updates/bugfixes. (Eg. Only update all programs when going from say, 2.6.38 to 2.6.39, but between 39 and 40 let programs/the kernel update if its just a bugfix or security patch.)
    
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What about chakra? They use Pacman etc and most Arch ways of doing things but I think they use their own repository. The installer is really nice too it comes with kde and some gui frontends for Arch stuff.
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