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Yea... The Hundred Gunner had the exact same problem.
It's true... And on top of that... (continue reading)

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Your source list is only bad if you don't add a mirror and you don't have internet. That's because it's ment to reflect the source in which you used to install the system. The computer doesn't know you have internet, it doesn't assume. I could see you crying if it assumed you had internet and made you wait (edit: then times out, making you wait till it does), you would want an option to disable it. When it doesn't assume and you get the option to enable it (disable it by doing nothing) you still complain.
1. I was connected to the internet.
2. I was running 32-bit.

On top of that:

1. I told it NOT to use a network mirror.
2. At configuration, I believe I uncommented the repo mirrors in the sources list.

We're talking about the problem where it says, "[Package] is in the sources list, but it is referred to by another name," right?
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Update manager froze on me in LMDE. It didn't crash, the window just blanked halfway through installing packages.
Yeah, I can't install it in VMWare because it gets stuck at "Configuring Bootloader" or something, I can't remember the exact thing it's doing but its got to do with GRUB.
    
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OP while I agree with the flaws you mentioned, I do have top argue with this rebuttal; why not try and fix those issues if you know programming? Instead of complaining all the time you could try and fix those issues. This is only taking into consideration if you are a programmer. I am not so I don't complain.
    
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OP while I agree with the flaws you mentioned, I do have top argue with this rebuttal; why not try and fix those issues if you know programming? Instead of complaining all the time you could try and fix those issues. This is only taking into consideration if you are a programmer. I am not so I don't complain.
I actually want to fork gnome and clean it up, but the build system is horrible. The thought of fixing it gives me nightmares. Gnome 2.32 is probably the most bugfree, stable DE ever created but underneath its a writhing pit of poisonous snakes.
    
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I actually want to fork gnome and clean it up, but the build system is horrible. The thought of fixing it gives me nightmares. Gnome 2.32 is probably the most bugfree, stable DE ever created but underneath its a writhing pit of poisonous snakes.
Sounds a lot like Windows.

To be fair, there is a design principle there: You're supposed to hide needless complexity from the end user. In this case, it means the developer gets to see it in all its (lack of) glory.
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I actually want to fork gnome and clean it up, but the build system is horrible. The thought of fixing it gives me nightmares. Gnome 2.32 is probably the most bugfree, stable DE ever created but underneath its a writhing pit of poisonous snakes.
Lol. Perhaps take an example of an earlier version such as 2.32 and touch it up?
    
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nothing is stopping anyone from still manually setting up a gnome 2.32 system, it would be some work perhaps but if thats what you want it wouldnt be too bad

and as far as debian stuff goes... vanilla debian seems to just take more time to configure than necessary :/ i go with crunchbang because its still debian, but it comes with programs and a DE i like by default...

if you are having issues with a system upgrade in LMDE, STOP USING THE GUI >_> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade DONE! takes me all of 2 minutes to update if i havent for awhile

i like the idea behind LMDE, but they are still trying to take a debian base and make it into their own project, this means it will be a little buggy and probably not worth it right now.... if you want an easy debian set up, just do the larger ISO instead of a net inst, and you can just upgrade taht set up should give you gnome 2.32 and everything by default

apt isnt slow by any stretch of the word... i havent used pacman myself but im not exactly dying of old age every time i do a system upgrade so i dont see the need for anything faster because i never thought apt was slow in the first place... and then the debian repos are actually pretty awesome stable is STABLE! rock solid like very few other distros can even consider providing, and then testing is still pretty solid and even more stable than most distros while providing a lot of really sweet packages

seriously, this thread just sounds like some one has an idealogical road block in their head where they want to use arch, but a debian system would be ideal :/
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nothing is stopping anyone from still manually setting up a gnome 2.32 system, it would be some work perhaps but if thats what you want it wouldnt be too bad

and as far as debian stuff goes... vanilla debian seems to just take more time to configure than necessary :/ i go with crunchbang because its still debian, but it comes with programs and a DE i like by default...

if you are having issues with a system upgrade in LMDE, STOP USING THE GUI >_> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade DONE! takes me all of 2 minutes to update if i havent for awhile

i like the idea behind LMDE, but they are still trying to take a debian base and make it into their own project, this means it will be a little buggy and probably not worth it right now.... if you want an easy debian set up, just do the larger ISO instead of a net inst, and you can just upgrade taht set up should give you gnome 2.32 and everything by default

apt isnt slow by any stretch of the word... i havent used pacman myself but im not exactly dying of old age every time i do a system upgrade so i dont see the need for anything faster because i never thought apt was slow in the first place... and then the debian repos are actually pretty awesome stable is STABLE! rock solid like very few other distros can even consider providing, and then testing is still pretty solid and even more stable than most distros while providing a lot of really sweet packages

seriously, this thread just sounds like some one has an idealogical road block in their head where they want to use arch, but a debian system would be ideal :/
i will have to agree with you here, apt is by no means "slow", the gui's are, like synaptic, software center, update manager,kpackageget,etc...especially if you are doing a system update or a large amount of packages, its best to use "apt-get dist-upgrade" as i've had synaptic get totally screwy and "freeze" near the end of the dist-upgrade before.

but we all know this, that gui's aren't always the best or the fastest thing, we've had long and drawn out "battles" with windows fanboi's about the power of the command line, why is it a surprise when a gui program fails?

rolling release is a nice idea and all, i'd also imagine if it was all that great, more distro's would be "adopting" it instead of continue to come out with static releases...

so all i can say to the arch guys who want stability over cutting edge, you should consider another distro there are a lot more "core" changes coming in the next year to a linux near you, and i'm not sure if arch can cope with them, if you guys are having this much problems with the new nvidia drivers for the new xorg...or the loss of dbus in favor of udev, or the transition from gnome 2 to gnome 3....

you can't like arch too much if you guys are wanting to change what fundamentally sets it apart from the other distro's

and if you guys are really missing pacman if you do change's distros, you can always invoke the holy grail and assign and alias in ~/.bashrc

alias pacman='apt-get'

or

alais pacman ='yum'

i'm sure you could be creative enough to come up with something better
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I've just re-read the OP, as this thread has been a little wayward in places...
It boils down to complaints about the DE/WMs, and wireless support.

No mention of Enlightenment - it's not widespread in all distros, but available in most one way or another. Might be worth a look before scrapping Linux.

Wireless support has always been a little flaky imo, Ubuntu used to drop my wireless all the time (and only a full power cycle would restore it), using both Gnome's network manager, and wicd. I put that down to my laptop though, as a soft reboot didn't restore connectivity (it refused to find any networks then - unlikely!)

I'm not sure what it is about wireless networking - there are loads of settings, and I've only a vague sense of what they are. Something about noise might suggest a culprit for why connection drops, but I'm far from leet enough to propose a resolution

In a related note - I've not got my Arch install 100% yet, but it's been such a mission, I'm beginning to get weary. Updating will come with the same issues, as effectively I've got a Slack-type install (i.e. I'm doing manual dependency resolution on the whole). I'm seriously considering jumping ship to another source-based distro, like Gentoo, or maybe even FreeBSD (for the stability)
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We're talking about the problem where it says, "[Package] is in the sources list, but it is referred to by another name," right?
No, I was talking about the fact that you get an explicit choice (its in the installer somewhere) to set up a network mirror for your /etc/apt/sources.list so you don't have just the CD as a "source". The package problem that you describe here is due to old unused mirrors still being used (or not setting up a proper mirror). Some official mirrors have been cleaned out but not dropped, lazy maintaining is the problem.

As far as you guys talking about apt-get dist-upgrade, you shouldn't do that. At least unless you get the hang of Debian's dependencies and how to fix bugs in apt you shouldn't ever go above testing (edit: Even then, you might not want too. Definitely don't mix versions unless you are sure you know what you are doing). You only use dist-update when your going from Stable to Testing, Testing to Unstable, and Unstable to? I don't think Experimental has a full set of packages, even so it would be extremely dangerous. Once you are on the version you want you should always use "apt-get upgrade" and leave it at that. I never use dist-upgrade after I've gotten my system to Testing, never!
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