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Ok, so i gather from looking at diff threads that a kill coil is used to fight bacteria growth, and that normally distilled water is recommended for coolant.

But heres my question about what seems to be a fallacy/wives tale.

Im running reverse osmosis purified water (its Sams Club brand, similar to Dasani with minerals added back in) because last time i changed it i couldnt afford Primochill PC Ice like i was running before (btw, dont empty your loop and try to reuse the stuff, and dont ask why). After at least six months, there is NOTHING in my water, no growth, no buildup on any of my WB's. So, does a kill coil actually work...or is it someones idea of a joke cause someone else said or did it and that person was cool?

BTW, im not some kid trolling around asking 'stupid' questions, so keep your non-helpful posts away from this thread, because, i searched and NONE of the results answered anything like this.

Flames are also not welcome, im sure someone later on can benefit from this.
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Silver does kill bacteria (one source). If there is any way for bacteria to get inside your loop, it will grow very well in the warm water. An open reservoir or a loose fitting is all it takes to let bacteria in. However, if you have a sterile loop and you are able to seal it without getting any bacteria inside of it, you might not have any growth.

Using a silver kill coil greatly decreases your odds of getting growth in your loop.
Edited by Mithrandir8 - 5/12/11 at 8:16pm
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Quote:
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Using a silver kill coil greatly decreases your odds of getting growth in your loop.
Fixed it for you
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post #4 of 27
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Fixed it for you

Lol I read his post and got confused for a second.

To the OP, yeah you want a kill coil.
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never mind
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Fixed it for you
whoops, thanks for catching that
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post #7 of 27
Putting silver coil in a loop is NOT just an idea from a cool guy. It's already proven and being used in medical field to prevent and even stop the growth of microorganisms.

Be thankful that after 6 months of using mineral water, your loop stays clean. But don't regret it one day when it suddenly turns green on you.

Better safe than sorry.
post #8 of 27
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Ok, so i gather from looking at diff threads that a kill coil is used to fight bacteria growth, and that normally distilled water is recommended for coolant.

But heres my question about what seems to be a fallacy/wives tale.

Im running reverse osmosis purified water (its Sams Club brand, similar to Dasani with minerals added back in) because last time i changed it i couldnt afford Primochill PC Ice like i was running before (btw, dont empty your loop and try to reuse the stuff, and dont ask why). After at least six months, there is NOTHING in my water, no growth, no buildup on any of my WB's. So, does a kill coil actually work...or is it someones idea of a joke cause someone else said or did it and that person was cool?

BTW, im not some kid trolling around asking 'stupid' questions, so keep your non-helpful posts away from this thread, because, i searched and NONE of the results answered anything like this.

Flames are also not welcome, im sure someone later on can benefit from this.
there is a reason why we use distilled water it is that there are no minerals in it, minerals cal mainly can and will clog up your loop and build up on your blocks it may not happen instanlly but it will over til so stick to distilled, and with the kill coil if bacteria where to get in to your loop would be haven for them if you where useing tubeing that allowed light threw
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post #9 of 27
Kill coil is a must. And I would also worry about those minerals in your water but I am just paranoid. And the gallon of distilled I bought for 99 cents is still over half full.
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post #10 of 27
To add to the above:

Bacteria can and will grow in your loop if the conditions are right. It is already nice and warm, wet and pH neutral (usually) and often dark, so add in some food for them any they will breed like crazy.

Then there is algae, which is different again in that it requires sunlight (well, UV light), which may or may not be present.

Silver prevents the growth of bacteria and algae because of the chemical properties of its ionized form, Ag+. This ion forms strong molecular bonds with other substances used by bacteria to respire, such as molecules containing sulfur, nitrogen, and oxygen. When the Ag+ ion attaches to these molecules they are rendered unusable by the bacteria, depriving them of necessary compounds and eventually leading to their death. (Partly taken from the Wikipedia article on silver but mostly from my head.)

Mineral deposits are something else entirely, and silver will not help with them. Basically if there are minerals in your water then they will eventually deposit on your blocks, just take a look at the heating element of an electric kettle to see what I mean. However unless you change your water regularly it probably won't be problematic or even noticeable.

Tl,dr: Bacteria or algae will grow given the right conditions, silver in the water prevents the growth by making the conditions unsuitable.
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