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its great.
but there ARE better, and die hard AS5 users tend to ignore that fact.
When switching from AS5 to Noctua's TIM, my temps dropped 2C. very odd results I must say, since TIMs usually require some time to settle, but i aint kidding.

Now i use Noctua's paste on my GPU blocks and it works fantastic.

other are better im sure, i use Indigo Extreme on my CPU and of course i love it.
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post #32 of 87
Used AS5 once... when I ran out of Shin-Etsu. It was maybe at most about 2 degrees higher than the Shin-Etsu.

What AS5 has going against it are these two main issues:

1) Cure time - 200 hours versus newer TIM's that require less time. People tend to be in a rush to get to the lowest temp possible as quickly as possible.

2) Age... it has been around for a long time and sometimes people look at that as "It's time came and has gone..." People then start saying that "old is bad" basically. Is it true? Not in this case. AS5 is still looked upon as the "benchmark" of TIM's. Problem is that finally 3 or 4 new TIM's are out performing it but I do not believe it's to a point that AS5 can be considered "bad".

The issue of it being capacitive is only an issue if you put goob's of the stuff on your CPU. Most people are careful about this. I have yet to meet one single person who has had this problem. The 6 months I used AS5, when I finally changed it out (new water block) the spread of AS5 on the CPU was no where near the edges and I believe that I had very good temps overall.

I am testing out IC7 now (was a freebie I got) and it is at most 1-2 degrees better but nothing I can say "Wow! Look at those numbers!" in comparison to AS5.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kahbrohn View Post
The issue of it being capacitive is only an issue if you put goob's of the stuff on your CPU. Most people are careful about this. I have yet to meet one single person who has had this problem. The 6 months I used AS5, when I finally changed it out (new water block) the spread of AS5 on the CPU was no where near the edges and I believe that I had very good temps overall.
If the core has a heat spreader and you use too much, that could be problematic. Very rare, but some people really goob that stuff on. That's user error though.

The real problem is with exposed cores. It can potentially short out the chip. Extremely rare, but it can happen.
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No it doesn't. Take a multimeter, a dab of AS5 and hook it up. You will not see anything.
I have and it is conductive once you put it under pressure. Not HIGHLY conductive, but it is conductive.

Quote:
Originally Posted by justarealguy View Post
The real problem is with exposed cores. It can potentially short out the chip. Extremely rare, but it can happen.
Saw that more than once on socket 462 cpus. It wasn't that rare either.
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I never really gave much thought to TIMs. I had a tube of AS5 since I do not know how long. And I have been using that for all my build. But I think I finally emptied with my last build. I never had any issue with AS5 and temperatures seemed good.
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post #36 of 87
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Originally Posted by mikepahl318 View Post
but there ARE better, and die hard AS5 users tend to ignore that fact.
When switching from AS5 to Noctua's TIM, my temps dropped 2C. very odd results I must say, since TIMs usually require some time to settle, but i aint kidding.

Now i use Noctua's paste on my GPU blocks and it works fantastic.

other are better im sure, i use Indigo Extreme on my CPU and of course i love it.
Both are fantastic and I do favor AS5 more but the Noctua came in handy as substitute, I have yet changed from Noctua TIM to AS5 but I will soon because I think I have to reseat my cooler.

Even though I am a die hard AS5 user I'd LOVE to try out some IC7.
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I still prefer AS5 over other TIM for my CPU, I just love the line method and AS5 is the best for that.

I've tried the diamond stuff, worked really well but I don't like the abrasiveness of it.

For a gpu, Freeze or MX is my choice.
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Never had any problem with the line method with MX-2. In fact, it's easier with MX-2 than it is with AS5, even with the pencil head mod.
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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf View Post
Never had any problem with the line method with MX-2. In fact, it's easier with MX-2 than it is with AS5, even with the pencil head mod.
I've never used 2, only 3 and 4.
Is 2 any thinner than 3 and 4?
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See my title.

But i think that MX2 is slightly better.
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