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Doesn't surprise me. Like Barnum says, there's a sucker born every minute.
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Wow, the sad thing is that so many Apple fans will continue to buy. There is no good reason for this except to make sure that Apple sees a cut of every replacement hard drive and hard drive upgrade. Disgusting.
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post #53 of 65
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Originally Posted by Mygaffer View Post
Wow, the sad thing is that so many Apple fans will continue to buy. There is no good reason for this except to make sure that Apple sees a cut of every replacement hard drive and hard drive upgrade. Disgusting.
Because so many Apple fans will never need to replace their HDDs, it's a nonissue for a vast majority of people. I don't understand why this forum doesnt get that. It's an iMac, not the MacPro or your custom built PCs. It's not meant to be taken apart by the end consumer at all. It's an obvious misunderstanding of the product itself.
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post #54 of 65
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Originally Posted by Sovietskikih View Post
It's not because they want to make it harder to upgrade. Apple made them 7 pins, since they integrated the temperature monitoring OSX does directly into the drives, so they could eliminate components that are typically mounted on the drives. This is a very biased article that doesn't actually mention why they did it, it's just for more apple bashing.
Pretty much this... especially when it was sourced from the article itself that it's from Mac Rumors. Way to take with a grain of salt, OCN.


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Yes, your piece of plastic HP is totally on the same level.

Hardware might be better in the HP, but how long will that notebook last you? How more prone is plastic to breaking than aluminum? How easy is it to service any damages?

Exactly.

There are more to computer than what most of you see. I speak from a more objective, IT driven perspective.
Actually... in most ways plastic is more protective than aluminum. Due to the molecule structuring of most metals, the stress that it undergoes if it were to protect to falls, hits, bangs, what have you, would have permanent damages to the metal. And especially aluminum, it doesn't have the "bounce" back that plastic has to help prevent transferring the force to the internal components that it's supposed to be protecting. The HP plastic that you refer to, has that ability. It's also one reason why metal isn't mainly used as a car fender all of the time. Most of the time it's made from a resin, reinforced with glass fiber. This material absorbs force better than most metals. Same principals apply here.

So much for your objective, IT driven perspective.
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post #55 of 65
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This man speaks the truth. Also there's a spare sata connection/slot to put in ANY STANDARD SATA DRIVE YOU WANT in addition to the one Apple provides.

So if you want to swap hard drives out for a bigger one, add and SSD, etc. it's as simple as plugging it in.

Now all of you can just skip over this post and continue trolling Apple. Have fun losers.
So explain the firmware change?

Sad day for Apple users.

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Because so many Apple fans will never need to replace their HDDs,
So why even make the change? I am reading the temperatures just fine on my SATA ports.

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it's a nonissue for a vast majority of people. I don't understand why this forum doesnt get that.
This is a big issue for a PC user, so forgive the PC site you are on when you get that response.

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It's an iMac, not the MacPro or your custom built PCs. It's not meant to be taken apart by the end consumer at all. It's an obvious misunderstanding of the product itself.
That is the equivalent of Steve Jobs saying, you are holding it wrong.

Its a computer, with a harddrive. It should be replaceable, AND furthermore, SINCE its not a labor/intellectually challenging task, you should, well since you don't care, a MAC user should be offended to shell out a ridiculous sum of money for a service, that can be accomplished in 5 minutes, HAD you not needed a new firmware and propietary cable connection.

Automobile industry has been doing this for years, trying to recoup money by getting consumers to come back to the dealer for service, because they used a custom propietary bolting system that can't be unlocked without the Grayskull key. etc. These business tactics were not cool then, and they are not cool now.

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Wow, the sad thing is that so many Apple fans will continue to buy. There is no good reason for this except to make sure that Apple sees a cut of every replacement hard drive and hard drive upgrade. Disgusting.
Thats very true, and what I don't get is why people still defend the Apple. I think that Apple are reaching their end of the line with these "types" of changes, and pretty soon, even average consumers are going to wisen up.
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post #56 of 65
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So explain the firmware change?

Sad day for Apple users.



So why even make the change? I am reading the temperatures just fine on my SATA ports.



Thats very true, and what I don't get is why people still defend the Apple.
The firmware change is to interface with the onboard platter temperature monitoring. It interfaces with OSX's Kernel to monitor temperatures.
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Yes everyone.

Do not factor in a superior build quality. Rock solid OS that on average is MUCH more secure and stable than Windows, and the ability to go to a store specifically geared torwards sale/repair of your brand.

Yes, your piece of plastic HP is totally on the same level.

Hardware might be better in the HP, but how long will that notebook last you? How more prone is plastic to breaking than aluminum? How easy is it to service any damages?

Exactly.

There are more to computer than what most of you see. I speak from a more objective, IT driven perspective.
Rock solid OS? Why does my MacBook Pro with a 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo, 4GBs of DDR2 667 and an 8600m GT, latest OS X, perform like a slug? Why are the Macs always the first to go down at hacking contests? And this is the greatest question of all, how come my iBook G3, PowerBook G4 and MacBook Pro have ALL had to have their logicboards replaced in the past? Some more than once.

I'll tell you why, Apple makes computers with a mediocre operating system along with cheap components and sells them for a high price. This idea that Apple makes high quality computers is a complete and utter joke. To be fair here the last desktop I've owned from them is a PowerMac G4, and that was a decent machine, but there's absolutely no reason to pay more for a PC just because it's made by Apple.
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The firmware change is to interface with the onboard platter temperature monitoring. It interfaces with OSX's Kernel to monitor temperatures.
Both Linux and Windows operating systems, albeit third party programs, easily read my temperatures on my disks. Perhaps, the fault lies with the OS kernels and not the drive.
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I wonder what Apples official response to this will be...
It was a software bug at the HDD manufacturer's plant.



This is getting out of hand. They're alienating those of us who know better than to buy their products even further away from their crap boxes. While at the same time making those poor sheep who buy their overpriced crap pay 10$ a GB (prospectively) for their proprietary garbage HDD's.

Epic fail.
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Both Linux and Windows operating systems, albeit third party programs, easily read my temperatures on my disks. Perhaps, the fault lies with the OS kernels and not the drive.
No, the temperature reading on windows or linux doesn't interface with the low level OS components. This is meant for the overrall temperature control system of the iMac, I wouldn't be surprised if they implemented it on the laptop line, it makes it more streamlined with requiring less components as well as software extensions. It's a good idea, just in the wrong line of computers.
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