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post #1221 of 5049
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Originally Posted by Groovy View Post

Came here to say a BIG THANK YOU for this thread, it really helped me choosing a budget setup!
I have a question when I came to order speaker wire, about the AWG (I'm still newb with all that jazz)
So i'm here asking which should I get? 12/14/16 AWG?
Here the setup that's gonna go on a tower pc:
Dayton DTA-100a
Dayton SUB-800
Dayton B652s
Xonar DX 7.1 (need PCI-E)
It's a <10 feet run

A less than 10 foot run = 16 AWG will do but the lower the better.
post #1222 of 5049
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

A less than 10 foot run = 16 AWG will do but the lower the better.

Okay so the lower the better?
Asking because the prices of 12 14 16 on monoprice is like 1$ difference
Didn't make sense to me that lower was better if the better is almost same price o_O
Edited by Groovy - 8/29/12 at 4:43pm
post #1223 of 5049
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Originally Posted by Groovy View Post

Okay so the lower the better?
The lower the AWG number the thicker the braid of cable is before insulation. Thicker is better.
post #1224 of 5049
Thicker cables mean less resistance and easier flow of electricity. You only really need lower AWG cables for really long cable runs.
post #1225 of 5049
If you want to keep wire resistance below 5% of speaker nominal impedance (a general recommendation, probably overly conservative for many speakers), for about 10 feet, 8 ohm nominal speakers, even 22 AWG is okay...

The low-gauge wire may be needlessly heavy and inflexible, hard to work with. Lower is better just in the sense that because the cross-sectional area is larger, the impedance is a little lower. It's already plenty low compared to the speakers themselves, at the distances you're looking at.

But probably the best response here is "doesn't matter."
post #1226 of 5049
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The K550 is essentially a closed K701/K702/Q701 (Q701 sounds different because of enclosure and driver materials I believe and some other small things. Nobody really found it. It's said the driver is the same but some people are saying things about an aluminum voice coil in the Q701 driver instead of a copper one or something). It's sound stage will probably be slightly smaller and the highs and upper mids slightly weaker but it'll have more bass and lower midrange. I have a friend over at Head-Fi who has a pair (and another who got the Q701 for about $70...).

I've still yet to get myself a setup. I have $1500, $500 for audio and $1000 for my first build (I promised myself to build a computer 2 years ago when I got into the world of geeks and I still haven't built one...the best I did was help a friend build one and rebuild 3 ancient prebuilts). I listen to Asian pop and Vocaloid the most so I was focusing on looking for a headphone with a good soundstage and strong highs and upper mids and it seems the Q701 with an O2 and ODAC would be best for me. I've started getting into chip music though (actually, I think it mainly utilizes the higher frequencies) and was thinking I should get headphones that were more balanced because of the base line in some but decided against it. Still searching for headphones, but I'll probably stick with a Japanese brand (Audio-Technica, Denon, JVC, etc.) or stick with Austria. I was told Austria (AKG basically) has good relations with Japan or something of the like and AKG's headphones are good when it comes to Japanese music, or just Asian pop in general.

I am familiar with what the K550 are but you cannot say they are the K701/Q701 with a closed backed. Even trying to compare the K701/Q701 is harder to do without saying virtually same sound stage with more bass and less positioning, still the same uncomfortable headband. From what I've been reading the K550 are the best isolated headphones around before we start talking bookoos of money. M50 used to be the best because the actually isolated where as the Denon claim to but they still leak. K550 have a wonderful soundstage so I've heard and one you get a proper fit they isolate sounds very well and it sounds that much cleaner. Recessed high trebs, great mids to low trebs, decent bass that can be felt rather than heard, and actual noise isolation. Beautiful design obviously with the cups allowing to be folded down when traveling. Durable, touch, though the cord isn't removable which I hate personally. Over all amazing for around 280-300 USD.

As for you I would question why you need an O2 and ODAC when using a sound card.. If you want music with great highs, rather the ability to hear it clearly and well. I'd say the K702 (like the 701 but cord detachable), O2 if you needed more amp but even still it's pricey IMO. Xonar STX or ST for less jitter and some decent open back cans? Used K702 run at 240 USD (used is better since they are burned in) Just change the pads to clean ones and profit or go new for 280USD, STX 170 USD, ST200 USD. There is your 500 dollar limit and it is all around your PC. O2 and ODAC is more of a portable listening experience and I find the O2 is too bulking to bring around unless you have a back pack but even then. (Source > O2 > HP) Plus all the cables that go with it. My O2 feels about 5-7 pounds and is 1x2.5x3 inches or so. Doesn't really fit in the pocket will cables going everywhere sticking out if ya know what I mean. So I figure computer build, get a decent sound card unless you want to walk around with 600+ bucks of crap on you. (Not me) Also you Q701 + O2/ODAC combo will run you over 500 buckoruskies.
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Can anyone recommend 2.1 speakers that's good for both gaming and music?

Budget?

I don't expect something like the budgets of people over at Stereophile. redface.gif That's a lot of dough.

Good question lol. *Comes back with monitors and a 16" Sub.* lol

I don't expect it to be identical, and it's only sort of the best I can say because from what I've read, that's what it seems. Technically, it is, but that doesn't mean it will sound very close. I haven't heard them or the Q701/K701/K702 (I'm planning on getting a pair of Q701's though as my first headphone) so I can't really say anything else. Although, from what you've said, I'm not surprised they sound like that. I didn't expect the highs to be that weak (and I haven't heard anything on isolation) but the rest of it matches up with my guesses.

The Q701 also has a detachable chord. It's just tuned to sound different from the K701 and K702 (I believe the driver has a different material for the voice coil. Aluminum instead of copper?)

I didn't say he would need it. It's just something nice that if he could afford and wanted to, he could get.

We all wish we had money for that stuff...well, headphones are considered the "poor man's solution" for speakers to me, even some of the most expensive ones. tongue.gif

Actually, the Arx A1's (now replaced by the A1b) might just be one of those good budget monitors. I've read a few reviews on planar tweeters and they've been on the good side of people most of the time. They're $300 but they're passive so you'll need an amplifier or a receiver (AV or stereo. I personally would choose stereo).
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Big Avatar fan I see. Korra was a nice series, although I preferred the Last Air Bender, but that's all personal preference.
I see you have some Westones. I have to admit I'm jealous because I don't even have anything. biggrin.gif

Korra still is a nice series... 40 more episodes coming (for a series total of 52) plus a possible animated movie!! They are bringing in the better prior series writers too, the creators winged it alone for Korra Book One. Korra Book Two is called Spirit and it deals with the spirit world and the origin of the Avatar.

I had a pair of those Westones for a month, returned them as the color was pink instead of red, but they are on my buy list again. My signature rig is half ownership and half wish list. I have never heard anything better than those ES5s... That wasn't like a $3000 plus set of tower speakers.

I'm curious to see season 2. I wonder what's going to happen now that it seems like everything is finished.

I'm extremely jealous...
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Let's try not to quote 40 people in a single quote everyone. Try to just grab the exact quote you want to quote or just 1 person's quote. If their quote is excessively long please just add the parts you want to comment on. I hate having to use the scroll feature on my mouse to slide down because of 1 or 2 peoples long quotation posts.

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This. LOL.
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Originally Posted by Riou View Post

Thicker cables mean less resistance and easier flow of electricity. You only really need lower AWG cables for really long cable runs.

This. Some people just don't mind shelling out some more money though because you can find good cables for only a few dollars (Monoprice, of course).
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post #1227 of 5049
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Let's try not to quote 40 people in a single quote everyone. Try to just grab the exact quote you want to quote or just 1 person's quote. If their quote is excessively long please just add the parts you want to comment on. I hate having to use the scroll feature on my mouse to slide down because of 1 or 2 peoples long quotation posts.


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Seriously?
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Seriously?

Dead photo.
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post #1230 of 5049
Its funny this time.. lol but now there are going to be 30 people that think its funny the millionth time around.
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