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I would cross off DT770s from your list if you like rock. Rock doesn't sound great on DT770s. Denons are a better choice, but isolation and leakage wise, they still do a fair amount. The Sennheiser HD25-1 II's are great for isolation and bass and overall performance. They're not often recommended because usually people don't care for isolation. They also don't require heavy ampage which is another reason to go with them, but since you're buying the e9, that's not really a problem.

The HD25-1 suffers from uninspiring treble performance especially in the upper treble. The stereo image is also quite tightly compressed and lacks focus/specificity, probably making them quite poor for any amount of gaming. The stock steel cable that comes with the HD25-1 II is also pretty garbage -- I'm not a believer in cable sound at all (from a science perspective) but the way it handles and feels is just poor.

On the plus side the HD25-1 II is one of the best-isolating full-size headphones on the market (way superior to the D2000 and DT770 in this regard). They also sound quite good for the price (assuming you can get them for under $150) and are incredibly durable (not only is every component of the headphone user-replaceable/serviceable, but the diaphragms are capable of higher SPL than most other headphones on the market without blowing out). Isolation and comfort are superb with the velour earpads.
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For now you should go with the e9 as your amplifier. I would personally go with a different DAC than the e7. I don't care for the "combo" people go with. That's sort of silly and lazy and people only do it cuz "they go together" despite the e7 actually not being that great of a DAC.
The amp on that sound card is actually weaker than the one on the STX and I don't even like the STX's amp, which is why I'm telling you to go for the e9 instead.
I would cross off DT770s from your list if you like rock. Rock doesn't sound great on DT770s. Denons are a better choice, but isolation and leakage wise, they still do a fair amount. The Sennheiser HD25-1 II's are great for isolation and bass and overall performance. They're not often recommended because usually people don't care for isolation. They also don't require heavy ampage which is another reason to go with them, but since you're buying the e9, that's not really a problem.
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Thanks for the prompt reply, I appreciate it.

The e9 works as an AMP - I'm just trying to keep the entire headphone/dac/amp combo under ~500. So, whatever is the best bang for you buck in that range works for me. I liked the 'all-in-one' convenience of the Claro Halo, but I'm totally willing to give the E9 a try. Does FiiO offer a better DAC? Also, The ability to add a 2.1 speaker system in the future too would be required.

The Senn HD25s look nice, but I was ideally looking for a large, over the ear headphone design. It doesn't seem that those go over the ear...I could be wrong though. I'm relatively new to the headphone world.

The Denon AH-D2000 was my first choice and still is. However the lowest price I can find them for is $350 via Amazon. With so many people reporting they've paid ~200 for them, I'd be foolish to pay such a premium. Another contender was the Ultrasone 750.

All of these choices is enough to make my head spin! At this point I suppose I'm nit-picking but it's kind of fun in a sadistic sort of way...

EDIT: Alternatively, would you recommend I spend a little more on headphones and connect the E9 to my on-board audio until I can get a quality DAC?...Just throwing it out there.
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Is there any Solution for a Sound card when i have all my MB Lanes filled?
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Is there any Solution for a Sound card when i have all my MB Lanes filled?

External ones or DACs. thumb.gif
 
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External ones or DACs. thumb.gif

Some examples would help and what the price point?
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Thanks for the prompt reply, I appreciate it.

The e9 works as an AMP - I'm just trying to keep the entire headphone/dac/amp combo under ~500. So, whatever is the best bang for you buck in that range works for me. I liked the 'all-in-one' convenience of the Claro Halo, but I'm totally willing to give the E9 a try. Does FiiO offer a better DAC? Also, The ability to add a 2.1 speaker system in the future too would be required.

The Senn HD25s look nice, but I was ideally looking for a large, over the ear headphone design. It doesn't seem that those go over the ear...I could be wrong though. I'm relatively new to the headphone world.

The Denon AH-D2000 was my first choice and still is. However the lowest price I can find them for is $350 via Amazon. With so many people reporting they've paid ~200 for them, I'd be foolish to pay such a premium. Another contender was the Ultrasone 750.

All of these choices is enough to make my head spin! At this point I suppose I'm nit-picking but it's kind of fun in a sadistic sort of way...

EDIT: Alternatively, would you recommend I spend a little more on headphones and connect the E9 to my on-board audio until I can get a quality DAC?...Just throwing it out there.
Really depends on how much you care for sound leakage etc. I'm not going to say that they're awfully loud and that everyone will be yelling at you to turn them down. They're not open cans, so you shouldn't expect that. Assuming you're listening to the headphones at a moderate level rather tha max volume, then I wouldn't suspect anyone farther than 3-4 feet from you would hear them.

The 750s are another good choice, btw, and if you can't find the D2000s for 250 dollars, then go for the 750s.
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External ones or DACs. thumb.gif

Some examples would help and what the price point?

They're in this thread under audiophile sound cards.

That's just for starts. They range from 30 dollars to over 2000 dollars. After ~150 dollars the differences become significantly less noticeable though. The initial 150 dollars is where most of the "wow" factor is had. After that, just minor differences in how clear an instrument can sound are heard. Headphones and speakers will be playing most of the wow factor after that price point.
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Really depends on how much you care for sound leakage etc. I'm not going to say that they're awfully loud and that everyone will be yelling at you to turn them down. They're not open cans, so you shouldn't expect that. Assuming you're listening to the headphones at a moderate level rather tha max volume, then I wouldn't suspect anyone farther than 3-4 feet from you would hear them.
The 750s are another good choice, btw, and if you can't find the D2000s for 250 dollars, then go for the 750s.

Ah - Gotcha. The 750s are also very sexy! Would you say they'd be better for electronica and rock than the Denons? I will most likely go the Ultrasone 750 route in that event. Do you know if they cover the entire ear? If so, they are my dream headphone.

Any idea what to do with the remaining 250 for a DAC/Amp? Thanks again. smile.gif

EDIT: Would a DAC/AMP combo like the Audinst HUD-MX1 or Yulong u100 be a better option for 200?
Edited by P-Nation - 11/30/11 at 2:02pm
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That's up to your individual needs. You have to remember you won't be using the amp portion for the Pro 750s. Yes, they'll cover your ears completely. If you just want a 200 dollar DAC there are better options available. Check head-fi for the best answer for your needs. If you plan to move to a headphone that requires an amp later though and don't want to buy a dedicated amp later, that's a different question.
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Nice to see Audioengine getting respect in the first post of this thread. I LOVE my P4's although they did need a sub.
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If you plan to move to a headphone that requires an amp later though and don't want to buy a dedicated amp later, that's a different question.

This.

I'd like to future-proof as much as possible. The DAC/AMP combo seems like the best bet at this point. I did a bit of research and I'm leaning towards the Audinst HUD-MX1 for it's 5.1 capabilities as well. Would that be advisable?
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