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post #881 of 5049
There are cheaper options btw, I just listed one on random. I haven't done any research on these since I personally use a MixAmp. So before you choose I suggest more research into the quality. They can run as low as 2 dollars such as this one
http://www.amazon.com/External-Adapter-Desktop-Notebook-Laptop/dp/B0019SVUQK/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1337300352&sr=1-3

and as expensive as 130 such as the Astro MixAmp


As for the Fiio E17, I believe it's more recommended to use the Toslink.
post #882 of 5049
Dont know what a toslink is so I think I will just find a nice USB one smile.gif
post #883 of 5049
toslink is the optical digital, and they look like this:
http://mego.o106.com/files/toslink.jpg

It's a matter of preference but here's a good thread to understand the benefits of each

http://www.head-fi.org/t/527442/optical-toslink-vs-usb-which-connection-is-better-to-connect-a-dac
post #884 of 5049
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Originally Posted by Rerona View Post

toslink is the optical digital, and they look like this:
http://mego.o106.com/files/toslink.jpg
It's a matter of preference but here's a good thread to understand the benefits of each
http://www.head-fi.org/t/527442/optical-toslink-vs-usb-which-connection-is-better-to-connect-a-dac
Hmm ok thanks!
post #885 of 5049
As it's nearing ODAC release time, it's time to include it. Also edited out the DIY DAC sections as really, although it's fun to learn some electrical engineering skills building one, it's counter productive vs mass production of well engineered soundcards. DACs are much harder to get right electrical engineering wise vs. amps.

Also included the Fiio E10 as the E10 is much better for the same price over the now outdated E7.
Great quality sound gets cheaper and cheaper!
post #886 of 5049
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

As it's nearing ODAC release time, it's time to include it. Also edited out the DIY DAC sections as really, although it's fun to learn some electrical engineering skills building one, it's counter productive vs mass production of well engineered soundcards. DACs are much harder to get right electrical engineering wise vs. amps.
Also included the Fiio E10 as the E10 is much better for the same price over the now outdated E7.
Great quality sound gets cheaper and cheaper!

Happen to know the DAC for the E10?
post #887 of 5049
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Happen to know the DAC for the E10?

It should be Wolfson WM8740.
http://mp4nation.net/catalog/fiio-e10-usb-dac-amp-96k24bit-p-653.html

However, the actual E10 doesn't get close to reaching the specs on the spec sheet for that part. Values on the spec sheet are with fairly optimized circuits, in a lab environment, probably with a bench power supply and definitely no stray EMI to screw up results, and so on. This is very common in a lot of audio products, to fall significantly short. Even worse, a lot of companies, even motherboard manufacturers with onboard audio, are quoting values off of the spec sheet, which is pretty much flat-out lying. See here (though I won't say that I necessarily agree with every opinion here, check the results for yourself):
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/01/fiio-e10-dac.html

It's still a way better value than a lot of alternatives though.
Edited by mikeaj - 5/21/12 at 9:40am
post #888 of 5049
Any thoughts about the Xonar Phoebus?
Still not sure what my audi setup's going to be, and I'm considering this. I will do gaming, but I will also do music (sometimes alone, sometimes while doing Photoshop) and a tiny bit of vid editing.
post #889 of 5049
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Originally Posted by 3930K View Post

Any thoughts about the Xonar Phoebus?
Still not sure what my audi setup's going to be, and I'm considering this. I will do gaming, but I will also do music (sometimes alone, sometimes while doing Photoshop) and a tiny bit of vid editing.

Thanks for bringing the card up. I had JUST gotten the chance to try out the Phoebus on Sunday (yesterday) at a friends house. The reason I had waited so long to try it out is because none of my friends bought it until now and I definitely wasn't trying to buy it.

Here are our thoughts on the card. It's not at all an upgrade from an STX. It's an alternative to the STX. We agree that it's in no way superior to the STX sound quality wise. In fact it's most likely inferior to the STX in sound quality. The amp section on the Phoebus and the STX are seemingly EXACTLY the same. Almost no difference there. As far as gaming goes, it's better than an STX.....when it works..The Phoebus has a lot of issues with games at the moment. I'm pretty sure that's a driver issue and I haven't tried it with any other drivers like Unified drivers or anything. After some light research, we were able to find that A LOT of people are having issues with the Pheobus in games.

Assuming this problem is fixed eventually, the Phoebus will be a more gamer geared card than the STX...

But I will never recommend this card as an alternative to the STX.

First off, this card is 200 dollars. 2nd, it's inferior to the STX in sound quality. Third, the amp section is exactly the same as the current STX. Fourth, the card has issues with some games. Fifth, if you really wanted a sound card for gaming, you wouldn't bother with this card because you would buy the Titanium HD for much cheaper.

I was so disappointed that I wanted to come on OCN and type about it, but by the time I got home, I had forgotten about it because of how uninterested I was in it.

I also had the chance to review the creative Recon 3D (80 dollar one, not the 200 dollar one).

From what I hear there is no difference between the 80 dollar version and the 200 dollar version other than the shield.

That said, as far as SQ goes the Recon 3D is.....not good. I'd say there was almost no difference between on board and the Recon 3D. You could just barely pick apart the slight bump in clarity over on board. Don't get this card for music. Don't even think about it.

The mids and highs were WAY too high and harsh for a sound card. In that respect I prefer on board over this card. The card comes with a built in amp which I didn't even use so I won't comment on it, but I'm thinking it's crap.

The quad core crap that's supposed to be all ooo and wow was ...well, useless. I have no idea what it did.

Now, I'll be fair and say that as far as positioning goes...it did well. I think that the bumped up mids and highs attributed to it's "goodness" in gaming, but the overall card's performance in multiple games was enough to warrant a nod in the gaming department. As far as "Scout" mode goes..I'm not really a fan. It's good in some games and useless in others. Scout mode is supposed to make certain sounds pop out more than others like footsteps. Yeah..I noticed it working in some games, but others I heard no difference. It's completely game dependent. Comparing the Recon 3D to the Titanium HD as far as gaming goes...the Recon3D.......is....better....than the TiHD.. What I mean to say is that the surround sound feeling was more natural and overall better than the TiHD, but the TiHD makes up for it by having crisper, clearer sounds and...awkwardly because the freakin' card has a quad-core chip...I feel the TiHD handled more complex sounds better than the Recon3D.

What the flip is the purpose of a quad core sound card if it's not even helping process sounds?

Again, I have no idea what the quad core chip thing did, but it wasn't at all noticeable. I figured it would at least take complex sounds and make them sound marvelous. It didn't even do that. IMO, the Recon 3D is worth..no more than 50 dollars. I would only ever think about using it for gaming. I would never listen to this sound card for music.

OH, another thing I forgot to mention about this card is it has NO DYNAMIC RANGE WHATSOEVER. Drops in music are unheard of. This card offers no dynamic range. Everything is loud all the time.

Anyway..I can't recommend either of these cards and for that reason they're not going to be added to the list. I'll link this post on the first page for all those that want to know what the Phoebus and Recon3D sound like.

Needless to say, both of these cards were returned. The Phoebus has too many issues in games, the Recon3D sucks too much to warrant keeping SQ wise.

On the plus side, the software and drivers on the Recon3D are fabulous.

See, I said something nice about it?
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OCZ Vertex 2 90GB & Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Scythe MUGEN-2 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Dell UltraSharp u2410 & Samsung 2333SW 
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Logitech G15 OCZ GameXStream 700w HAF 932 Advanced Logitech G300 
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Denon AVR-1912 Harman Kardon Infinity Primus P153  HIFIMAN HE-400 Vsonic GR07 
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post #890 of 5049
What would you reccomentd for headphones, speakers and sound cards for 500 pounds when I'm doing 50/50 gaming and music?0
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