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my gut feeling is that the 8 core Bulldozer will firmly beat the i5 2500k, the 6 core Bulldozer FX will probably be on par with the 2500k but like 50-75 bucks cheaper.

The 8 core Bulldozer FX will trade licks with the 2600k with the 2600k coming out on top in the end, but Bulldozer FX 8 core will be about 75 bucks cheaper with even more savings into consideration if u already have an AM3+ ready motherboard.

AMD's 4 core Bulldozer offerings will compete with the i3 2100,etc.

So after the smoke clears, AMD owner's will get a nice upgrade with great motherboard compatibility and upgrade in droves. Intel users will say "meh" and stick with SB then upgrade to Ivy Bridge when its time, sort of like the Q6600 to Q9550 upgrade path. Continued daily fanboism from both sides will occur.

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Well I'll just add my 2 cents.

The i7-2600k is a bit overkill for gaming, the i5-2500k is a better chip if your purpose is gaming.

Even if Bulldozer is faster per core (which is what matters for gaming) than SB, SB isn't going to slow down because of that.

With a single 5870 sandy bridge is pretty much overkill, if you had two, or were planning to get more gpu power than it would make more sense.

I am a firm believer in "You only need as much cpu power as is required to push your gpu(s)". What that means is having the fastest cpu in the world and tossing in a gtx 460 isn't the best idea. You should balance your system so that the cpu is fast enough for the gpus, and the gpus are fast enough to push your cpu.

I would recommend against the i7-2600k if your purpose is gaming, and I would wait to upgrade your cpu until you've got more gpu power. I'm not sure if you're bottlenecking with your current first gen phenom, but even if you are it can't be by too much so a cpu upgrade for $280 is probably going to be slightly disappointing overall unless you find some more gpu power to warrant the upgrade.
Thank you so much for your input. You do have a great point IMO about not giving a 2600k recommendation. It's just that I probably have a greedy personality and always think "Oh! I may need those features soon".

It's just that for 50 bucks more over than a 2500k, it carries decent features.

As for bottlenecks.. aren't there ALWAYS? That's why one always upgrades? Maybe it depends on the app as well? Maybe one can never have too much unless one has the budget to upgrade every 1 1/2 years?

I also am not sure about my rig's health.. it stutters most of the time.. maybe it's the ram, cpu, mobo, psu.. It doesn't feel worth it diagnosing the problem specially when you start buying parts just to diagnose

Gah! Sorry I may not be making sense at all
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Well I'll just add my 2 cents.

The i7-2600k is a bit overkill for gaming, the i5-2500k is a better chip if your purpose is gaming (price vs performance wise).

Even if Bulldozer is faster per core (which is what matters for gaming) than SB, SB isn't going to slow down because of that.

With a single 5870 sandy bridge is pretty much overkill, if you had two, or were planning to get more gpu power than it would make more sense.

I am a firm believer in "You only need as much cpu power as is required to push your gpu(s)". What that means is having the fastest cpu in the world and tossing in a gtx 460 isn't the best idea. You should balance your system so that the cpu is fast enough for the gpus, and the gpus are fast enough to push your cpu.

I would recommend against the i7-2600k if your purpose is gaming, and I would wait to upgrade your cpu until you've got more gpu power. I'm not sure if you're bottlenecking with your current first gen phenom, but even if you are it can't be by too much so a cpu upgrade for $280 (plus board and ddr3) is probably going to be slightly disappointing overall unless you find some more gpu power to warrant the upgrade.
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my gut feeling is that the 8 core Bulldozer will firmly beat the i5 2500k, the 6 core Bulldozer FX will probably be on par with the 2500k but like 50-75 bucks cheaper.

The 8 core Bulldozer FX will trade licks with the 2600k with the 2600k coming out on top in the end, but Bulldozer FX 8 core will be about 75 bucks cheaper with even more savings into consideration if u already have an AM3+ ready motherboard.

AMD's 4 core Bulldozer offerings will compete with the i3 2100,etc.

So after the smoke clears, AMD owner's will get a nice upgrade with great motherboard compatibility and upgrade in droves. Intel users will say "meh" and stick with SB then upgrade to Ivy Bridge when its time, sort of like the Q6600 to Q9550 upgrade path. Continued daily fanboism from both sides will occur.

The end.
I have no idea why that sounds so convincing!

So basically, you think that it is likely for the top tier dozer (8core) to be on par with the 2600k but is around 70 bucks cheaper?

What does your gut tell you about 8 real cores vs 4C/8T? For future gaming that is? (a year or two from now)?
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What would you guys suggest then for a 5870? considering that I won't OC for a year or two?

Does crysis 2 benefit with HT? (4C/8T) Do you think BF3 will? Do you think it'll be significant enough that warrants 50 bucks over a 2500k?

Isn't it the era of ports? So we need uber CPUs more than top tier GPU? Like how S***U 2, GTA IV, etc?
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Speculation.

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Thank you so much for your input. You do have a great point IMO about not giving a 2600k recommendation. It's just that I probably have a greedy personality and always think "Oh! I may need those features soon".

It's just that for 50 bucks more over than a 2500k, it carries decent features.

As for bottlenecks.. aren't there ALWAYS? That's why one always upgrades? Maybe it depends on the app as well? Maybe one can never have too much unless one has the budget to upgrade every 1 1/2 years?

I also am not sure about my rig's health.. it stutters most of the time.. maybe it's the ram, cpu, mobo, psu.. It doesn't feel worth it diagnosing the problem specially when you start buying parts just to diagnose

Gah! Sorry I may not be making sense at all

Well the price on the i7-2600k sounds like a MicroCenter deal, if it is they'll have the i5-2500k for $180. If its used, be careful about who you purchase from and require some proof of stability and max multi if possible.

Yeah there will always be bottlenecks, but in theory the best bang for your buck comes from getting the two components that matter most to mesh up well together. If you plan to keep components for several years than I would think the cpu would require the higher investment as it will be taxed the most by more gpu power.

If you know what parts are still good you could always part it out for some extra cash for upgrades, thats how I do mine upgrades anyways.. It helps when you can recoup something from an item you no longer need but paid good money for years ago.


As for pricing the only information we have is limited at best - here is the graph we have:





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Does crysis 2 benefit with HT? (4C/8T) Do you think BF3 will? Do you think it'll be significant enough that warrants 50 bucks over a 2500k?

Not that I'm aware of, there is a very limited amount of games that benefit from HT. However in the future with AMD releasing 8 core chips that could very well change. However it my opinion that purchasing current hardware with the idea of "future proofing" is folly since by the time the future arrives there is something better at the same price point.
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honestly the best thing to do if u want a big performance jump from the 9950BE u currently have is to get a i3 2100 plus free motherboard combo from Microcenter for $120 bucks.

U can then upgrade to an i7 later on as well as selling ur 9950BE/motherboard/ram on Craigslist for the cost it too u to upgrade to SB. Only real cost would be DDR3 ram, but u can get some good 4GB DDR3 kits for 40 bucks

here is a 9950BE vs i3 2100 comparison.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=21

also the i3 setup will run cooler, have a better chipset for SSD's,etc.
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Well the price on the i7-2600k sounds like a MicroCenter deal, if it is they'll have the i5-2500k for $180. If its used, be careful about who you purchase from and require some proof of stability and max multi if possible.

Yeah there will always be bottlenecks, but in theory the best bang for your buck comes from getting the two components that matter most to mesh up well together. If you plan to keep components for several years than I would think the cpu would require the higher investment as it will be taxed the most by more gpu power.

If you know what parts are still good you could always part it out for some extra cash for upgrades, thats how I do mine upgrades anyways.. It helps when you can recoup something from an item you no longer need but paid good money for years ago.


As for pricing the only information we have is limited at best - here is the graph we have:








Not that I'm aware of, there is a very limited amount of games that benefit from HT. However in the future with AMD releasing 8 core chips that could very well change. However it my opinion that purchasing current hardware with the idea of "future proofing" is folly since by the time the future arrives there is something better at the same price point.
Hmm.. More cover overclock-able? That doesn't sound too convincing..

Thanks again for the chart and input.

Do you think that the i7 2600k AMD counterpart will be 280 bucks brand new?

regarding about future "proofing".. It still sounds pretty good.

"AM2+ board > Phenom 9950 > 1090T (170 bucks) upgrade for a great jump in overall perf? Instead of getting a new i3-2100 build?"

If the current LGA 1155 has that huge probability.. wouldn't that be nice?

Then again.. Didn't AMD have better "legacy" support? Hmm..

What do you guys think?
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honestly the best thing to do if u want a big performance jump from the 9950BE u currently have is to get a i3 2100 plus free motherboard combo from Microcenter for $120 bucks.

U can then upgrade to an i7 later on as well as selling ur 9950BE/motherboard/ram on Craigslist for the cost it too u to upgrade to SB. Only real cost would be DDR3 ram, but u can get some good 4GB DDR3 kits for 40 bucks

here is a 9950BE vs i3 2100 comparison.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=21

also the i3 setup will run cooler, have a better chipset for SSD's,etc.
DAMN IT ALL! If only I was in LA not it San Diego!!!!!!!!!!!! That deal is a no brainer in my current "WANTS"!

If ever,

$ 120 - MicroCenter Deal
$~25 - Tax
$ 45 - Incentive for my uncle to pick up
$ 10 - Ship to my place


Total: $ ~200.00

Can you instead recommend a "decent" Mobo for ~90 bucks? So I can just get a Tax Free i3 2100k and a "decent" mobo that would total to around ~215 bucks?

The plan sounds genius so far.. Would be diabetic sweet if the Mobo i'll get is a 99% IvyB proof LMAO!
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