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Originally Posted by yellowtoblerone View Post
Have you thought about stripping the system down to the bare minimum and then try to OC/stress test? You can also spend 15 usd on a killawatt that's on sale on newegg atm and know for sure how much power you're using.
Getting a killawatt would be a good idea. If you can afford a 980x, you can afford a killawatt

$15 could possibly save you from buying a new PSU... but I doubt it, because I'm guessing it's the PSU too lol.
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post #12 of 33
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Are you using windows XP or 7?
Because certain BSOD's will simply restart the PC in XP without showing the BSOD, while W7 will.

When the computer shuts down, does it restart in 5 seconds, or remain off as if you shut off the AC power completely? Are the lights /fans completely off and remain off?
It doesn't restart it's as if I press and held the power button. Happens the same for linux and win 7 pro. Fans turn off, no lights anyways so...

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Have you thought about stripping the system down to the bare minimum and then try to OC/stress test? You can also spend 15 usd on a killawatt that's on sale on newegg atm and know for sure how much power you're using.
Yeah I was thinking about this, it'll still be hard to know exactly what percentage is on what rail, but I can guess from the delta between loaded and unloaded
     
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Originally Posted by Xclock View Post
@stren> if your system was stable with same power supply then its not your power supply.
its some hardware that degraded or showing sign.can be cpu as well.
Yup it's definitely degradation of something, I hope it's not the CPU, because that would be a bad day

SO I think today maybe I'll go check killawatt prices at home depot or something, and then most likely order an ax1200, it's over due. If that doesn't solve it I guess it's either motherboard or cpu.
     
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It doesn't restart it's as if I press and held the power button. Happens the same for linux and win 7 pro. Fans turn off, no lights anyways so...
its the PSU. Get a Corsair AX750, I would recommend a 750-850w PSU for that setup at least, its a miracle your running it on 550w. Its a bad PSU and underpowered, pull out 1 card and leave everything at stock until you get a new PSU.
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post #15 of 33
Just because you think you have your power load distributed you could still be overloading the single rail. It's only 250w on a good day.

If you pull too much power the PSU can shut off as a precautionary measure.
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A good quality 550w can handle that setup, but that OCZ is a mediocre unit.
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its the PSU. Get a Corsair AX750, I would recommend a 750-850w PSU for that setup at least, its a miracle your running it on 550w. Its a bad PSU and underpowered, pull out 1 card and leave everything at stock until you get a new PSU.
Thanks, yeah I've known I was asking a lot from the PSU for a while, that's why it was my first suspect, just surprised me that it would happen the way it happened. I'll probably pick up the ax1200 just to be safe as I want to be able to do tri sli when I upgrade later in the year.
     
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Its your Mobos VRM's mine limit my OC to 200Watts.
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Alright so I got a kill a watt and took some numbers

Power Off - 1.3W
Idle (Linux - GPU at 700MHz) - 300W at the wall, assume 83% efficiency i.e. 249W
Idle (Windows - GPU at 900MHz) - 317W at the wall i.e. 263W
Folding in linux - 500W at the wall i.e. 415W
Linx in Windows - 530W at the wall i.e. 440W
BFBC2 in Windows - 660W at the wall i.e. 550W

So yes as expected gaming is the worst case for total power usage and the PSU is really stretched.

The CPU loaded to idle delta is 177W

- The delta between windows and linux idle power (14W) can be attributed to the difference in gpu voltage, this let's us roughly estimate gpu power. In windows V= 1.0875V, in linux let's assume it's 0.1V less, I can't remember exactly what the default is. Therefore total gpu power in windows = 14W*1.0875/0.1 = 153W
- I also turned off all my 11 fans and this cut power by 18W
- Let's estimate the two mechanical hd's as using 10W total

this leaves 82W to split between CPU, motherboard, memory, raid card and water pump.

It can be fairly safely assume then that most of this 82W is coming from the same rail as the CPU. Therefore total power on the CPU rail = 82W + 172W = 254W = 21.2A

- Now let's sanity check this with the BFBC2 result, normally it seems to use about 38% of the cpu, so we could assume therefore that the cpu now uses an extra 38% of (440-263) =67W in comparison to idle.
- The BFBC2 to idle delta is 548-263 = 285W, and therefore the increase in gpu power usage should be 285W-67W = 218W, adding this on to the GPU idle estimate gives a total loaded gpu power usage of 371W or 31A.
- This seems too high given that the rail is only supposed to handle 25A, so let's modify our GPU idle estimate, otherwise the system should be crashing during gaming not when stressing the cpu
-Let's assume that our system is perfectly balanced as this is realistically the maximum load the gpu could be i.e. that each rail is really capable of the average of the two estimates i.e. (254+371)/2 = 312.5W, this would mean a reduction in our idle gpu power usage estimate of ~58W i.e. 95W of idle GPU, this doesn't seem too far fetched. and is perhaps a better estimate.
- Of course the crash happens when the cpu is stressed not the gpu, so if anything the gpu idle power should be lower and the cpu rail higher. But even at this "best case" scenario for the CPU rail it's pulling 312.5/12= 26A which is over the 25A each 12V rail is supposed to handle. Of course given that the system won't be perfectly balanced It's likely that this is in fact trying to pull more than 26A on a 25A rail and the PSU is saying no.

So yes this gives me a scientific-ish reason to replace the PSU then see if the problem is still there!
     
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Its your Mobos VRM's mine limit my OC to 200Watts.
If the ax1200 upgrade doesn't fix it, then that's my next step, I'll probably get the x58a-oc just to make sure that there's no way in hell it can be a vrm limit. I don't need any more features than it has anyway. If it's still a problem then I guess the chip is degrading.
     
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