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Originally Posted by Dromihetes View Post
Prices can be readjusted ,stocks for different CPU will empty and the time will tell.
If there are Phenoms X6 with L3 cache defective ,then AMD will find the right moment/opportunity to get rid of them under some name.
There is enough time to see such CPU-s on the market.
Or maybe the Ph II X6 manufacturing process is extremely good.
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Originally Posted by pc-illiterate View Post
saying you can not get a locked down 6core at a retail store is irrelevant. the fact is amd shipped locked down 6cores. ask yourself why they didnt ship an ordinary quad to hp.
amd would not lose much money at all selling a 6core athlon 2. how much do you think it actually cost them to manufacture either ?
Both of you have no idea of how chip manufacturing works. AMD is already making slim margins on the Phenom II X6. If they lock cache and sell as an Athlon II X6, they'd be selling at a loss. Manufacturing isn't the only thing to take into account in this, either. With each chip they need to recoup costs for packaging, R&D, among others. This makes no financial sense to them. The people that would buy this are in an extremely small niche market and should be considering the 1055T anyway because it's at the $150 price range.

Why didn't they ship other Denebs to HP? Simple: the reason is that there are a small number of Thubans that have defective cores. AMD, since they're not gonna sell them in retail because people would be buying lesser processors for unlocking, gives them to HP since their motherboards are locked down anyway and you can't unlock dormant cores.
    
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post #42 of 70
It's not worth to release CPU without L3 cache memory and 6 cores. At least for now :/
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post #43 of 70
extra costs:
packaging-$1 for colored paper box, or $.10 (thats 10 cents) for a plastic clam shell plus 2 pieces of foam 2x2 inches and small piece of scotch tape.
R&D- their research and development cost were met long ago. any profits now are minimizing this cost per processor sold.
other costs? shipping maybe ? thats probably less than $1 per cpu
labor maybe ? at $60/hr for a lowly tech to disable l3 cache- maybe $3 if it takes 1.5 minutes to insert the cpu, disable the cache and then remove the cpu. oh wait, this would be done during qc. that translates into almost no cost at all
what other costs ?
oh wait. nevermind. they already have these costs with the fully functioning thuban 6cores with l3 cache

*edit*nvm. anything else you have to say wont matter. pros for selling them. pros for not selling them. everyone has their own opinions
Edited by pc-illiterate - 5/14/11 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by pc-illiterate View Post
extra costs:
packaging-$1 for colored paper box, or $.10 (thats 10 cents) for a plastic clam shell plus 2 pieces of foam 2x2 inches and small piece of scotch tape.
R&D- their research and development cost were met long ago. any profits now are minimizing this cost per processor sold.
other costs? shipping maybe ? thats probably less than $1 per cpu
labor maybe ? at $60/hr for a lowly tech to disable l3 cache- maybe $3 if it takes 1.5 minutes to insert the cpu, disable the cache and then remove the cpu. oh wait, this would be done during qc. that translates into almost no cost at all
what other costs ?
Again, you show the fact that you know absolutely nothing about how this works. Something costs them $3, they'll make you pay $15 for it. That's how business is: you sell for a profit. And then there's the fact that Thuban has extremely high yields, meaning that they'd have to sell perfectly fine processors at a lower cost for the demand for the lower price segment. And again, you seem to forget yet again that AMD is on very slim margins with the Phenom II X6. They lower the price, they're at a loss.

There's really no point in arguing over this with you, as you don't have the knowledge yet to understand these things.
    
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if they sold a Athlon II X6 for 100 bucks they would pretty much dominate the lower sector. Intel would have to drop prices on everything except Sandy Bridge.

So yes AMD would take a small hit, but they would sell a ton of these since people are going to say "Ohz a Intel 2 core processor for 100 bucks or an AMD 6 core one for 100". Even Intel fanboys would admit AMD is the better choice in that scenerio.
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post #46 of 70
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Originally Posted by amurph0 View Post
Examples?

And different versions of the same chip don't count (like 1055T vs 1090T vs 1100T) because they are just a different clock and multiplier setting basically.

This is about AMD making a 6-core Athlon II, which is completely different to just changing the clock. (And a lot more expensive to develop).
Phenom II X2 550 and Athlon II X3/X4.

In resonse to OP, who is going to own a 6 core processor and use the cores? It will be a renderer, who depends on rendering things faster, so will pay for 6cores and beyond, or a folder or somebody with money, so money is no object. It's not going to be somebody who spends all day in the internet, or is just a causal gamer.

There is no need for an athlon II 6core.

Besides, there is the small issue of bulldozer.
    
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post #47 of 70
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if they sold a Athlon II X6 for 100 bucks they would pretty much dominate the lower sector. Intel would have to drop prices on everything except Sandy Bridge.

So yes AMD would take a small hit, but they would sell a ton of these since people are going to say "Ohz a Intel 2 core processor for 100 bucks or an AMD 6 core one for 100". Even Intel fanboys would admit AMD is the better choice in that scenerio.
*sigh* I'm getting impatient now. Listen, this is not "at a small loss." AMD would be losing a lot of money on every chip they sell, especially when they're already at thin margins. It's not worth it for them financially. This would be a product for an extremely small niche market.
    
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post #48 of 70
Selling an Athlon II x6 might really take away from other markets from AMD such as the Phenom II x4
AMD does however sell Phenom II x4 and Athlon II x4 based on Thuban but to OEMs only. If this were done to retail, there go their 955 and Deneb chip sales, which are equally important.
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There is no need for an athlon II 6core. Over and out.
I would argue that an energy efficient Athlon II X6, say 65W TDP, could have alot of uses for corporate companies wanting rendering power but wanting power bill savings.
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Originally Posted by dlee7283 View Post
I was wondering why AMD never made a 6 core processor with no Level 3

honestly a 6 core processor even with no L3 would be awesome for every day computer work.
I guess I must have missed all those "every day applications" people use using all 6 threads lol.
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