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I would argue that an energy efficient Athlon II X6, say 65W TDP, could have alot of uses for corporate companies wanting rendering power but wanting power bill savings.
They'd need to clock it at 1.8GHz or so. That, and again: no profit=no incentive to sell.
    
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I guess I must have missed all those "every day applications" people use using all 6 threads lol.
its called having 50 firefox tabs open while drinking a beer
    
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designing a new paper box for a new athlon 6 core is the only extra cost that would be incurred.
extremely high yield of thubans but yet they shipped locked to quad cores because they had bad cores only ? they never have defective l3 cache ? BS.
as stated it would be a smaller number of consumers. budget builders that can say they have a 6core. the same as budget extreme builders saying they had a ph2 thuban in the first place.
you can not claim it wouldnt sell well because it was never offered so there is no information to base that OPINION on.

i am willing to bet i have more knowledge on production, assembly, market sales and shipping than you. you have no idea what my livelihood is or where my place of employment is. stick with what you know.

im not going to argue with someone that has tunnel vision. also my last post on this thread so you may be happy to post on other threads with greater importance.
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its called having 50 firefox tabs open while drinking a beer
*sigh*

I don't know how I can have so much patience.
    
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Perhaps it is simpler than all of that. The reason for the variety in core counts and caches really came down to an attempt to improve chip yields. It is about as easy to make a four core processor as it is to make a single or two core. So the manufacturer makes four core chips, and simply chops out the defective parts - marketing them in their various categories. Let's say that in the process, 20% have a defective core - so that is 20% that they can sell as an x3, and score some money, rather than just dumping them.

Not that this practice remained in place, because the techniques used have improved, so that this is not the issue that it was, say, 20 years ago when Intel was selling SX models because of poor chip yields of DX models.

FOr AMD to market a hexacore Athlon would mean that their process in making a fully functional hexacore Phenom is defective, leading to poor chip yields, requiring the chopping out of say, defective caches that make the grade as Athlon, while failing as Phenom. So AMD could entirely make a hexacore Athlon, but it is obvious that they are obtaining proper chip yields with their current process, and simply do not need to.

As for power - I would doubt that a hexacore Athlon would ever attain 65 Watts - it would have to be at least 95 Watts because each core will require roughly 15 Watts. The only way a hexacore could have the same dissipation as a x2, x3 or x4 is for significantly new processes to be put into play, which would be more power stingy. And the only way they would make a x6 Athlon by this method is if when the new process is applied to the x6 Phenom, but somehow, their chip yield decreases significantly because the new process yields poor performing cache.

Hexacore would not help with your want of Firefox having fifty opened tabs - that is more a problem of your Internet connection which would simply be slow at downloading content to the tabs, slower than anything that can be remedied by having a crazy number of cores that a single threaded application like Firefox would ever benefit from.
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its called having 50 firefox tabs open while drinking a beer
^ This
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what about a Athlon II X6 at the 100 dollar pricepoint
SIX CORES WITHOUT L3...
bad idea (from performance perspective)
    
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An athlon x6 would presumably have 3mb of l2 cache. (x4's have 4x512kb, so one could assume that they would go with 6x512 to keep costs down rather than 6x1 like they do with the x2's)

It would be even more bottlenecked than the Athlons already are, and probably perform worse than something like a Phenom II X4
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post #59 of 70
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its called having 50 firefox tabs open while drinking a beer
Oh please, a faster CPU doesn't really help with that. I do more than that all the time and there's no noticeable difference between a Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8 GHz and a Celeron E3300 2.5 GHz. What you want is a ton of RAM and an SSD, although you do want to enable RAM caching in Firefox.

I think the only "everyday task" I do that can actually take advantage of that many cores is 7-zip.

For a number of quarters now, AMD has been showing a net loss. That should clue you in on the fact that they're not making enough profit on their processors to sustain the company. It's only with Zacate that they're showing net gains again. Releasing an Athlon II X6 would lower selling prices for their other processors and would eat into Phenom II X6 sales. As others have mentioned, there's no good financial reason for AMD to release an Athlon II X6. It's not like they'll be able to sell a ton of these things. People will just be paying less for existing Regor/Rana/Propus processors and it makes no sense for AMD to be making even less profit on these processors when margins are already pretty slim.

AMD Regor: 117 sq mm
AMD Propus: 169 sq mm
AMD Deneb: 258 sq mm
AMD Thuban: 346 sq mm

Intel Clarkdale: 81 sq mm
Intel Bloomfield: 263 sq mm
Intel Gulftown: 240 sq mm
Intel Sandy Bridge 4c: 216 sq mm
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All (sans bloomfield) the Intel procs you listed are 32 nm course they are smaller.
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