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See, I get the grind makes things rewardable stuff, but the skateboard analagy has one flaw; it takes skill. MMO's generally don't. Its a question of who can do something boring for longest, not a question of who can manage to do this really hard thing. I think dodging and strafing and aiming, even-semi aiming in MMO's is a step towards making the gear/level grind less of a factor and achievements been player based and something actually respectfull. Why can't the epic gear be an achievement because the boss for it is really hard, instead of an easy boss that needs to be farmed a lot.
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REally? I thought they kind of looked like poo. I'm used to playing WoW anyway and those graphics are really dated, so I guess the graphics won't matter to me that much.


Anyway.....DO WANT!!
My expectations weren't high. But these were better then what I thought it was going to look like. A beefed up KOTOR was suppose to be what the graphics would look like.
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I don't know. I'm not a game developer, and I don't profess to be one, but I am an optimist, and I think there's gotta be something on the horizon that will change the way we think about MMOs and games in general.
As a comp sci/game design major, there are things just starting up that are going to change non-persistent games significantly, but at the end of the day, for MMOs to evolve, we need something that we currently don't have even conceptually.

Everyone is showering GW2 with praise, and I believe it'll be a fun game. I just don't believe it's going to have enough content to last and it can't be created fast enough to keep subscriptions, and that's the true reason for the lack of subscription, regardless of what ArenaNet marketing tells us. Financially, SW:TOR and GW2 won't even compete, TOR will probably end up giving us a yearly EA convention while GW2 might get an expansion announced at E3.
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lol.
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Looks strangely like WoW with Star Wars theme, and you know what? That's more than likely not a bad idea at all.
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Looks strangely like WoW with Star Wars theme, and you know what? That's more than likely not a bad idea at all.
This!
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As a comp sci/game design major, there are things just starting up that are going to change non-persistent games significantly, but at the end of the day, for MMOs to evolve, we need something that we currently don't have even conceptually.

Everyone is showering GW2 with praise, and I believe it'll be a fun game. I just don't believe it's going to have enough content to last and it can't be created fast enough to keep subscriptions, and that's the true reason for the lack of subscription, regardless of what ArenaNet marketing tells us. Financially, SW:TOR and GW2 won't even compete, TOR will probably end up giving us a yearly EA convention while GW2 might get an expansion announced at E3.
When you have WvWvW gameplay, I don't think you need content

Also, there's supposedly 1000-odd event-chains. Considering they can go either way and you can go back to them and experience them at natural difficulty, thats..a helluva lot to get through tbh.

GW2, hell, the B2P model is immune to the 30-day trial drop. I.e, after the first month, playerbase will barely flicker. It will be a gradual decline, and that decline depends on the rate of content production.

It will probably take you a long time to see it all, so to speak. And it won't suffer from the current MMO problem. Endgame is always predictable because its all raiding. GW2 endgame is reviving old stuff from DAoC as well as refining dynamic quests. It might not be new, but it hasn't been done often.
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guild wars 1 still gets content updates today. guild wars expansions came out faser than many other game expansios as well. hell, it's already confirmed that new events will continuously be added after release, and they are pretty far in the planning stage of their first GW2 expansion and will begin work after GW2 launches.

SWTOR fans are becoming more spiteful and desperate to trash other games as time goes by. hype backlash is a sad, sad thing.
Edited by FLCLimax - 5/15/11 at 1:56pm
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guild wars 1 still gets content updates today. guild wars expansions came out faser than many other game expansios as well. hell, it's already confirmed that new events will continuously be added after release, and they are pretty far in the planning stage of their first GW 2 expansion and will begin work after GW2 launches.

SWTOR fans are becoming more spiteful and desperate to trash other games as time goes by. Hype backlash is a sad, sad thing.
Trolling is a sad, sad thing.

Did I say GW2 was going to be a bad game? No. All I said is that I believe because of their combat design that they wouldn't be able to keep up a level of development sufficient to keep subscriptions if they wanted to, and that's the reason for BTP. BTP makes absolutely no business sense otherwise. If the game is good enough and supported enough that it'll hold subscriptions, why would you ever willingly give up that money? Money makes more money.

I'll be buying both and subbing TOR, I just honestly believe TOR will end up being the better MMO. GW2 might be the better game at launch, but it won't be the better MMO when the servers are shut down in a decade or so.
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oh man, struck a nerve eh? sorry about that. anyways, if you want to understand why it's not charging a monthly fee(probably just trolling out of insecurity but hey) read this.

http://www.guildwars.com/events/trad...7/gcspeech.php

you may sense a need to stop reading and try to discredit this man because some of this obviously references Star Wars MMO's but please try to hold back and read it through.
Edited by FLCLimax - 5/15/11 at 2:07pm
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