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I think it looks cool but nothing too "stand out" from other MMOs. It looks great, don't get me wrong. The battle animations and the voice acting for the NPCs are incredible. But, I just don't feel like anything stands out on it's own.

When is this game getting released even? I remember waiting for this game TWO summers ago.
By the end of Jan. Not much else officially has been said
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I know it doesn't sound fun, but Mob AI and "kill xxx mob quests" are pretty much integral to MMO gameplay. A lot of the fun in MMO comes from competition; getting the highest levels, getting the best armor, killing the hardest bosses, etc. Grinding more isn't much fun, but it lets you show off to your friends. The unfortunate part is that Bioware made it seem like this was going to be a singleplayer story-driven RPG that happened to be multiplayer. Instead, it's a fairly standard MMO with some nice animation and above-average cutscenes.


Not overly impressed, but what we can't see in this video is the developing overarching storylines, which are, in my opinion, the most important parts of these games.

No, people dont like grinds. Otherwise Korea would have a goddamn field day. Have you not noticed the inherent lack of achievement that reaching max level takes? If achievement in a game is supposed to be "Hurr, look at ma epics." then I think MMO's have forgotten about actual gameplay.

Grind =/= Skill

It just means you can do a monotonous task for long. Maybe, just maybe, we can progress from gaming mechanics established over a decade ago and actually, I dunno, evolve the genre.
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No, people dont like grinds. Otherwise Korea would have a goddamn field day. Have you not noticed the inherent lack of achievement that reaching max level takes? If achievement in a game is supposed to be "Hurr, look at ma epics." then I think MMO's have forgotten about actual gameplay.

Grind =/= Skill

It just means you can do a monotonous task for long. Maybe, just maybe, we can progress from gaming mechanics established over a decade ago and actually, I dunno, evolve the genre.
You ever wonder why when you walk in a casino you can see hundreds of people sitting in front of completely random machines pulling a level over and over?
Has to be pretty boring right?

They're not doing it because it's fun, they're doing it because they hope they win something big.

Same goes w/ MMOs, boring grind = tedious repetitive task which gets repeated in the hopes that random drop is some big prize.

It's what's addictive, what keeps the money flowing; you think these companies don't employ shrinks? The game is designed that way for a reason.
    
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Watch gameplay videos of basically any game. Is it as good as playing it? Also, take a look at one of the recent TOR updates, the current build has a completely different UI from the one he's playing, so it's safe (and wise) to assume there is stuff he isn't doing. Playing at 2AM on a test server doesn't help either.


A safe guess is 4-8 weeks after E3 we'll have open beta with launch shortly afterwards. Gut tells me it'll be on the closer side of that estimation.
I'm not saying it's "as good as playing it." I never said anything like that.
I mean as compared to other MMOs, I see nothing extra special about this game that isn't like other ones. Something unique if you will about this game in particular. That's all.

Not sure why you brought up UI and time on the server lol
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I'm not saying it's "as good as playing it." I never said anything like that.
I mean as compared to other MMOs, I see nothing extra special about this game that isn't like other ones. Something unique if you will about this game in particular. That's all.

Not sure why you brought up UI and time on the server lol
Just saying there is quite a bit more to the game than what you can see in that video, and I don't mean just other planets/classes. There are core features of the game disabled in specific tests.
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You ever wonder why when you walk in a casino you can see hundreds of people sitting in front of completely random machines pulling a level over and over?
Has to be pretty boring right?

They're not doing it because it's fun, they're doing it because they hope they win something big.

Same goes w/ MMOs, boring grind = tedious repetitive task which gets repeated in the hopes that random drop is some big prize.

It's what's addictive, what keeps the money flowing; you think these companies don't employ shrinks? The game is designed that way for a reason.
Its the big prize thats addictive, not the grind. the grind can be replaced with something more fun.
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Just saying there is quite a bit more to the game than what you can see in that video, and I don't mean just other planets/classes. There are core features of the game disabled in specific tests.
Ah I see what you meant now. I mean, I know that you don't see everything about the game in the video - I was just observing what was shown. I've been waiting on this for awhile and this wasn't anything special to me is all.
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No, people dont like grinds. Otherwise Korea would have a goddamn field day. Have you not noticed the inherent lack of achievement that reaching max level takes? If achievement in a game is supposed to be "Hurr, look at ma epics." then I think MMO's have forgotten about actual gameplay.

Grind =/= Skill

It just means you can do a monotonous task for long. Maybe, just maybe, we can progress from gaming mechanics established over a decade ago and actually, I dunno, evolve the genre.

You don't seem to grasp what I'm saying. People don't like grinding, because it's monotonous. Therefore, if someone is willing to sacrifice enough time doing something boring, it's deemed more impressive to their peers. If it were something "fun", everyone would do it, and everyone would be at the same level. Maybe you and I don't care about something as selfish as "being the best", but plenty of people do. That's why we have people going for things like "Loremaster" in WoW; not because it's fun, but because it ISN'T. It's difficult and boring, and so not many people would do it.

Again, I'm not saying I like the ideas I'm presenting, but plenty of people do, and it's become one of the major staples of MMO gameplay. And please, don't tell me "but games can progress!", you're preaching to the choir.


EDIT: Not to mention, people don't play MMOs to display "skill", unless we get into ranked PvP. Even the most difficult raids and bosses require very little individual "skill".
Edited by Narzon - 5/14/11 at 2:11pm
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I've played it and I can say I wasn't impressed, but it will be something someone that likes games like WoW would like.
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Its the big prize thats addictive, not the grind. the grind can be replaced with something more fun.
And yet you have games like Mincraft that cleverly disguises itself so well, no one knows it's nothing but a grind
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