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i know. lets go after auto manufacturers because criminals use cars for their escape.
Or the clothing makers since they can't do this nude.

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I put my gun in a case, my knife in a locked drawer, I keep the keys to my car and my car doors locked and learned how to drive, I watch my pc for virus and run a firewall as well as leaving nothing worthwhile on it.


I think you just put up the worst argument in history.
An even more ridiculous response. You think locks can't be broken? Windows can't be smashed? Or ignitions fired without keys? Responsibility is a way to prevent accidents; not to keep the bad guy away.
Edited by EdgeofSanity - 5/14/11 at 1:28pm
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i know. lets go after auto manufacturers because criminals use cars for their escape.
Did a car dealer sell a car to a guy to a sociopath who thinks he was playing GTAIV? Can't buy a car with out a SSN, valid drivers license, tags, insurance etc. Unless you are going to a shady dealer. Each of those pieces of information, while not 100% definitive of ones identity go a very long way of detering fraud. Which is the point I was making on that one.

Eveyrone's reverse analogy of using a gun is incorrect, if I was sold a gun without doing a full and thorough background check / waiting period, and then shoot someone, I believe the gunsmith/sporting good store would be held to some degree of negligence.

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SO you are saying amazon should spy on their customers?
Its their servers, they are leasing them. Corporate stuff aside, there are rules in place stating what you can and can't do with the leased server/time. If they are not at least checking up on this why have rules in the first place?

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Or the clothing makers since they can't do this nude.

An even more ridiculous response. You think locks can't be broken? Windows can't be smashed? Or ignitions fired without keys? Responsibility is a way to prevent accidents; not to keep the bad guy away.
It would be deterents though, and from the sound of it, there were not enough deterents in place for the Cloud.
Edited by RagingCain - 5/14/11 at 1:35pm
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An even more ridiculous response. You think locks can't be broken? Windows can't be smashed? Or ignitions fired without keys? Responsibility is a way to prevent accidents; not to keep the bad guy away.
This, this, this, and omg THIS. No matter how much protection you have, someone can get around it. Should we punish everyone, because someone can use the device for evil? We should be thinking of how to increase security of the victims, not how to prevent users from causing mayhem. With all the international hackers (China), we need to beef up security. Hopefully this will act as a wake up call to the internet security world.
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Did a car dealer sell a car to a guy to a sociopath who thinks he was playing GTAIV? Can't buy a car with out a SSN, valid drivers license, tags, insurance etc. Unless you are going to a shady dealer. Each of those pieces of information, while not 100% definitive of ones identity go a very long way of detering fraud. Which is the point I was making on that one.

Eveyrone's reverse analogy of using a gun is incorrect, if I was sold a gun without doing a full and thorough background check / waiting period, and then shoot someone, I believe the gunsmith/sporting good store would be held to some degree of negligence.
you are assuming criminals are stupid. IF they are stealing something, wouldnt they also steal the vehicle that they plan to use to steal the other thing?

The gun idea is just fine. You assume that all these things being used by criminals are going to be acquired through legal means, giving an easy way to trace it back.

Perhaps you should broaden the scope of your ideas here.
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you are assuming criminals are stupid. IF they are stealing something, wouldnt they also steal the vehicle that they plan to use to steal the other thing?

The gun idea is just fine. You assume that all these things being used by criminals are going to be acquired through legal means, giving an easy way to trace it back.

Perhaps you should broaden the scope of your ideas here.
No the scope has nothing to do with what they used, it was how the device was obtained, not what they used. Obviously it was easy to fake Amazon out and obtain a powerful server/timeshare of cloud computing which was enough to hack Sony.
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No the scope has nothing to do with what they used, it was how the device was obtained, not what they used. Obviously it was easy to fake Amazon out and obtain a powerful server/timeshare of cloud computing which was enough to hack Sony.
you assume it was easy, but you have no idea. just like you are extremely wrong about your other arguements, which you oddly decided to drop when the flaws were pointed it out.

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a very carefully planned, very professional, highly sophisticated criminal cyber attack
Hmmm does that sound easy? Seems like it might have been a carefully planned, very professional, highly sophisticated criminal cyber attack. The opposite of easy if you ask me. Which leads me to believe that as much care was taken to obtain the server from amazon, and hide what they were doing, as they did when actually hitting sony.

until the crime was done, amazon would have no idea what they were up to. And even after it happen, amazon would still have no idea, until it was traced back to their server, which just now finally happen.



..................................i dunno what else to say to you............................
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You guys are going to get this locked >,<

Stop arguing with the proponent of security breaching who doesn't understand the fundamental law of power. Can be used for good, or evil. Now if we want to start a good argument... was downing PSN with such power an act of good or an act of evil?
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you assume it was easy, but you have no idea. just like you are extremely wrong about your other arguements, which you oddly decided to drop when the flaws were pointed it out.

Hmmm does that sound easy? Seems like it might have been a carefully planned, very professional, highly sophisticated criminal cyber attack. The opposite of easy if you ask me. Which leads me to believe that as much care was taken to obtain the server from amazon, and hide what they were doing, as they did when actually hitting sony.

until the crime was done, amazon would have no idea what they were up to. And even after it happen, amazon would still have no idea, until it was traced back to their server, which just now finally happen.

..................................i dunno what else to say to you............................
Then don't say anything, don't attack me because I am not living in this one particular thread.

I didn't say it was easy, but Amazon could have made it harder, perhaps.

There is no flaw in my argument, as I am not arguing anything. Amazon's cloud based services were used for a criminal activity perpetrated by a fake name, fake business. I don't think that is good, and forgive me for thinking Amazon needs to fix that issue so history doesn't repeat.
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Hopefully this puts to rest anyone's suspicion that this was an attack by members of Anonymous. I'm not the biggest fan of Anonymous by any means, but this was far too elaborate and complex to be their work. Script Kiddies couldn't have pulled this one off. This wreaks of China/Russia-type hacker work.
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i would personally like to thank amazon for having properly secured data. Notice how it wasnt stolen.
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