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My system specs are 1090t, Asus M4A88TD-M Evo, 4gb CL9 XMS3 Ram (I have on order some G skill 1600mhz CL7 coming on Mon/tues, as I cannot get this XMS3 to run stable at 1600.). I have pretty decent cooling, 2 intake fans, 2 exhaust (all 2000rpm max) and liquid cooled CPU. Current OC is 3.6ghz and core temp doesnt get higher than 44 deg with an hour + of prime95. (Cpu us usually higher, 50 ish) and thats with my fans running at 1300. I can up them to 1900 with my regulator and shave off aboput 5-8 deg.

Anyway I have made some headway with my venture into Overclocking. I have gotten to 3.6ghz easily with the following voltages.




I did orginally have the NB running at 2400 Mhz and left HT on Auto (2000Mhz), NB voltage was on auto and at 1.250 but I manually lowered it to 1.175 when I dialled back the NB to 2200. Should I put the NB freq back to Auto? Reason I ask this, I have scoured so many different guides and increasing the NB frequency is a good thing, But to be honest, when I had it at 2400mhz I used to notice some strange things. Like my Ethernet wouldnt find the internet as quick as it usually does upon start up, some usb ports can be a bit "iffy".
My storage hard drives can play up etc...
This is why I dialled it back to 2200 and it seem to go away. When I maxxmem benchd it was giving me 9gb/s at 1333mhz stock timings but not its back to 2200 its giving me about 8.5.

Prime Passes at 2400 and 2200. Also at 2400 My icons on my desktop take a little longer to appear if you understand what I mean.

Anyway, I just looking for help, will probaly leave it until my new ram comes but when it does ill be looking at pushing at least 3.8 (which i am yet to do stable) then hopefulyl safely onto 4ghz and be happy. My new ram is the G Skill Ripjaw-X 1600 CL7. My current ram is the XMS3 1600CL9 which doesnt even like running at 1600 and the XMP profile let alone any tweaks. I can get it running at 1333CL7 but things just dont feel right. Its like the computer is lagging when I do so. ( I am going to RMA my XMS3 and then sell the new stuff on ebay )





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Im considering reverting my NB back to auto and just leaving CPU oc'd.

Ive also left C1E Support on, Cool and Quiet enabled. Should I also turn off GPU booster as I have disabled my Mobo's GPU anyway as its redundant.

Any tips help would be very much appriciated and thanks for reading my wall of text. I have been through numerous guides on here, with oc'n CPUs, Ram, timings, NB etc... but things just dont seem to be adding up for me.
Thanks again.
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Turn off c1e and cool and quiet as they tend to interfere with overclocking. To hit 4 GHz you are going to need around 1.45 volts.
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Try one voltage bump on the cpu-nb to try to stabilize 2400mhz. Some people on here have the cpu-nb over 3000mhz and it does increase the performance notably. Those speeds require even more cpu-nb voltage.
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1.25v on the CPU-NB will make 2400 stable. It benchmarks better than it does at 2000 ofc. but i do notice little things like my storage hard drive doesnt initialize right away, icons on my desktop are blank for up to 20 seconds upon boot, network in the bottom right corner doesnt find the internet quite as quick.

Dialled it back to 2200 now.

Is there any reason why it is doing this? Think i am going to wait for my new G Skill ram to come in the post before I continue.

Currently at 3.6ghz cpu, 1.36V Cpu
2200 NB 1.25V Cpu-NB
2200 HT link
Ram 1600 CL9 1.65v


In regards to the HT link, should i leave it at 2000? Alot say leave it at 2000 as it proves no notible increase but then I read in dolk's guide that it should stay with the NB freq up until 2600-2800 then moved back to 2000. Seeing as i am on 2200 only should i keep them both together?

Got my ram running at 1600 again because things seem more stable when i do.
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C1E and CnQ shouldn't affect the overclocking; in fact AFAIK they should auto-disable after a certain multiplier gets too high to prevent problems. Otherwise leave them on
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Got my NB to 2800 Comfortably on 1.250V. (Think i was a little too scared to try it) HT Link is currently at 2000 and ill leave it there. 2800nb seems to work more stable than 2400-2600. any reason why?

Everything is much more snappier. New G Skill ram coming tomorrow too so will continue then.

Having trouble breaking 3.6Ghz stable oc.

My CPU-NB is currently 1.250V and CPU is currently 1.35V. I have tried up to 1.425 or so on the CPU V but it will not take to anything above 3.6ghz and im a little to scared to push it any further for fear of burning something out.

Ram is still at stock Auto, 1333 9 9 9 24 34 1t 1.5v. Blue screen when i play about too much so I was going to wait until my new Skill ripjaws come in the post tomorrow or wed.

Any other recommendation to help me actually break 3.6. Would ideally like 4ghz for 24/7 use. Will it wear out my chip too quickly? or should I stick to 3.6/3.8?

I really appriciate all the help too thanks.
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ALL OF THE BELOW IS FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE WITH MY X4 970, the various voltages and such may be different for your CPU.

All that I've read points to 2600-2800 being the optimum NB speed for Phenom CPUs, so aim for that. You shouldn't need more than 1.3V for your CPUNB for 2600, and maybe 1.35V for 2800... Less for both if your CPU overclock is minimal...

As for the CPU, if you want to know if you can hit 4GHz, put the voltage up to 1.55. If its stable, you have your high point - lower the voltage slowly and keep re-testing until it is no longer stable, then put it back up a notch. Do all of this with the NB at 2000MHz and 1.3V (just to be sure there is no instability here).

When you've found the right voltage for the CPU, crank up the NB to 2600 / 2800. I've already given recommended voltages, but you can play around with those. You know your CPU is stable now, so you can just keep changing northbridge voltages / speeds until you get it all right.

For me, it took 1.275V to keep my NB stable at 2600, with a CPU speed of 4.1GHz, or 1.33 for 2800 - but I wasn't happy with the temperature of the NB at 1.33V. This is with a VCORE of ~1.5 (its a little under, but I don't remember exactly).
For 4.2GHz, I needed a VCore of 1.54 and NB 1.35 (2800). I didn't keep this overclock as no matter what I did, my 3rd core failed Prime after ~3 hours. I tried voltages up to 1.6 (CPU) and 1.4 (NB) and still no good. Crappy 3rd core I guess :/

And about your RAM, the Phenom memory controller runs at 1333 mhz. Tom's hardware did an in depth review that found that for gaming, the system actually performs BETTER with memory running at its native 1333mhz, with tight timings.
The G.skill will be great RAM - but I'd always advise clocking it down to 1333 and taking those timings as low as you can. Go read the Toms hardware article if you guys don't believe me

Hope this helps somewhat.....

Oh, and as for wearing out your chip, keep the temperatures down below 50 and you'll be fine. AMDs recommended max is ~60, but you don't really want it in the 50s for everyday use...
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Great help thanks! I will try it. Should I be going by CPU temp or temp on the cores. I see mixed opinions on that. After 10 mins + of prime my CPU is like 55 deg but the cores are about 44 ish. (this is with a warm room too).
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Great help thanks! I will try it. Should I be going by CPU temp or temp on the cores. I see mixed opinions on that. After 10 mins + of prime my CPU is like 55 deg but the cores are about 44 ish. (this is with a warm room too).
The socket temp is usually higher on the Phenom II. You could put a fan on the backplate if your case allows to try to cool, but I would go by the socket temp for determining max. You should use the user cp tab to fill out your system specs so it is easier to help.
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The socket temp is usually higher on the Phenom II. You could put a fan on the backplate if your case allows to try to cool, but I would go by the socket temp for determining max. You should use the user cp tab to fill out your system specs so it is easier to help.
This is because the core sensors are off by 7c-15c, making socket temperatures the only way to accurately monitor temperatures.

Maximum safe temperature is 62c btw, not 60c.
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