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Originally Posted by qwertymac93 View Post
yeah but how much did the cabling cost them? or the modems? or the tech centers? or the free wireless routers they give out?

I'm not saying that $1/GB is OK, but don't expect to see anything close to $.01/GB any time soon.

TBH my ideal ISP would be something like $1/4GB(@20Mb/s down, 5Mb/s up) with no monthly fees(modem and stuff rentals extra tho). That would be 200GB a month@$50, which is less then what i pay now, but if i only use 100GB, i only pay $25.

Oh and obviously no caps, ever. DL 500gb of stuff? cool, but ya gotta fork over $125. This would mean people who use their internet very little, pay very little. I don't know exactly how much bandwidth i use each month, but I've never got a call from comcast saying i went over the cap(250gigs) and i use netflix almost every day, though it's mostly non-hd anime.
maybe if your kids and family watch to much tv they should be charged extra for the channels youre already paying for too!!
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Bulgaria 18.21 Mbps
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Germany 17.35 Mbps
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Belgium 16.91 Mbps
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France 15.50 Mbps
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Singapore 15.23 Mbps
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Norway 14.39 Mbps
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Hungary 13.76 Mbps
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Japan 13.48 Mbps
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Finland 13.42 Mbps
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Ukraine 12.63 Mbps
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Estonia 12.62 Mbps
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Slovakia 12.40 Mbps
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Czech Republic 11.46 Mbps
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Edited by dark14 - 5/16/11 at 1:29am
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post #62 of 76
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Good, Netflix fights for us, maybe I will start a Netflix account. You pat my back, I'll pat yours!
^
This...
Sign me up.

My cable company (Also an ISP) made me bend over this year. They cut the amount of service i was getting and started charging me $20.00 more.

Grrrr. I want to leave just for principal.
    
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It's pretty sad to see people canceling/not getting netflix because of the sorry state of the internet in America and Canada. This is the 21st century isn't it? Amazing. All the innovations and technological advancement in the world today and all the brilliant minds that help push it are being kicked in the balls by pieces of ****s in suites called CEO's that seem to literally FIGHT against the push forward. Tell me, when was the last time a CEO invented or innovated something? What? And these guys get payed ludicrous amounts of money?
^ next time I'm in your city,... Beer's on me. And what makes it really sad is that, there so much more tech coming out. And so many more CEO's of major corporations trying to stop it or buy it up for themselves.

When did money become such a necessity for these CEO's. Are they not paid enough for just wearing a suit and sitting in a chair?
     
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Everybody already realizes that this is a money grab. The question is, what can we do about it as consumers now that this system is in place?
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Eh, I wouldn't put much thought into the fact that it's an "influential businessman" who says that. His company's profits directly depend on amount of bandwidth ISPs let us use.

I have the same opinion, but could care less if Netflix shares it.
    
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Uh, guys, ISP impose a cap, netflix loses business because people won't stream as much. They're not fighting for us, they're trying to save their own hides.

ISPs impose a cap, they lose people wanting to stream. It's a trade off. Either way, they are right.
Except this was a powerplay by the ISP's almost all of which have a controlling stake in some form of On Demand video or video over IP that is a direct competitor to Netflix and other video on demand services.

So since they can no longer slow down said traffic to degrade it, they go the next "legal" route of implementing a cap that their services can circumvent, but which netflix cannot. Comcast for example would LOVE to overcharge for On Demand videos and not have to have that count against my monthly allotted cap. Netflix cannot circumvent this cap and my choice as a consumer is effectively degraded...

Basically it doesn't hurt the ISP's to implement caps because it allows them to squeeze more money from the consumer, it pushes other businesses to a less than useable state that makes the ISP's service look much better, and because of government created monopolies they have no fear of consumers making a switch to another service for the most part...
Edited by werds - 5/16/11 at 9:47am
    
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About time this idiot stands up for the people.
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Everybody already realizes that this is a money grab. The question is, what can we do about it as consumers now that this system is in place?
Not much, really. Other than write our congressmen, who could care less, or vote with our dollars and entirely refuse to use providers with service caps. Problem is, once they all have the caps, that won't be possible.

Ironically, this is exactly the inverse situation of internet usage that AOL faced in the 1990s. AOL used to charge $3 an hour (or more, iirc) for their service. Other providers began providing unlimited use for $30 a month or whatever, so AOL had to remove its hourly billing system and go unlimited. Now we're going backwards. Unbelievable.
    
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I am sorry, but all this talk about how much it cost to build out the network or the cost to run the network is complete rubbish.

The united states government hands about 8 billion dollars every year for build out of internet service (that is the government tax you pay on your bill). That money goes to line the pocket of isp who actually build out the network.

The last stimulus bill handed out 7 billion to isp's.

Most of the ip's get huge handouts, tax ride offs, and other benefits to roll out the internet.
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Except this was a powerplay by the ISP's almost all of which have a controlling stake in some form of On Demand video or video over IP that is a direct competitor to Netflix and other video on demand services.

So since they can no longer slow down said traffic to degrade it, they go the next "legal" route of implementing a cap that their services can circumvent, but which netflix cannot. Comcast for example would LOVE to overcharge for On Demand videos and not have to have that count against my monthly allotted cap. Netflix cannot circumvent this cap and my choice as a consumer is effectively degraded...

Basically it doesn't hurt the ISP's to implement caps because it allows them to squeeze more money from the consumer, it pushes other businesses to a less than useable state that makes the ISP's service look much better, and because of government created monopolies they have no fear of consumers making a switch to another service for the most part...
If the FCC wasn't too busy being jerked off by the ISP's then they would see that this is a nice little legal loophole around net neutrality.

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I am sorry, but all this talk about how much it cost to build out the network or the cost to run the network is complete rubbish.

The united states government hands about 8 billion dollars every year for build out of internet service (that is the government tax you pay on your bill). That money goes to line the pocket of isp who actually build out the network.

The last stimulus bill handed out 7 billion to isp's.

Most of the ip's get huge handouts, tax ride offs, and other benefits to roll out the internet.
I was just looking at my AT&T bill and there are all sorts of little fees and taxes tacked on. Amazing.


Edit: Re-posting this again: go here for complaints http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm. Re-post this everywhere. AT&T actually called me back and said they were "investigating" my complaint with the FCC. I'm going to keep sending complaints cause I don't give a ****.
Edited by MotO - 5/16/11 at 12:42pm
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