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I'd be surprised if there isn't a trade-in program.
There is ... It is called Warranty RMA.
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post #22 of 133
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Well Grunion, I get what you and quite a few senior members said about the card, but to be honest, apart from a small BIOS glitch, these cards are serious performers.

VRMs not as robust as they could be or not. They can even overclock well.

Do I believe that every card that blew up was stock @ stock voltage? Absolutely not. Is it possible a couple were? Absolutely. Raziel is the first user I have heard from that claimed his card died on a blown resister/transducer just off of a VRM at stock voltages with a slight overclock. I give Raziel the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't overvolting it. He can't prove that to me though, but I will take his word for it.
I don't doubt the performance.

I don't like the idea of relying on drivers to keep a card from popping.
What happens if a game/benchmark is released that needs some additional protection, and there's no driver for it?
Or NV has a brainfart with a release and totally leaves out the protection?

Am I wrong in assuming that all the current throttling is done at the driver level and based on the exe?
Or is it a draw throttle, say 50a and the card throttles?
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I support both amd and nvidia, but the truth is this is a sloppy and an avoidable mistake that nvidia probably wishes they didnt have to do. Rushing things to the market is bad business. Im glad they are getting it right tho. Also, there should NEVER be an instance when i have to update my drivers to keep my videocard from frying.
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This is why I never buy 1st gen products. Did we not learn from the 4xx series, it took them 2 tries to get it right, same as with the 590 now.

These better have MORE VRM's too!

While they're at it, why don't they make it a 3 GB / 6 GB total card?
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How do tell the difference between people who were overclocking conservatively and the card blow and yahoos who wanted to see just what would take to blow the card? Think everyone is forgetting Overclocking is luxury not covered by most warranties. It still is a do at your own risk thing. If your card actually blew @ stock Nvidia is responsible but as soon as you modify anything that changes what they set your on your own buddy. Not all cards OC equally and this case it started at the reference design.
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post #26 of 133
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I don't doubt the performance.

I don't like the idea of relying on drivers to keep a card from popping.
What happens if a game/benchmark is released that needs some additional protection, and there's no driver for it?
Or NV has a brainfart with a release and totally leaves out the protection?
Which is why, I personally would want my cards replaced, not because they are doing a good job right this minute, but because the chance to fail is higher than your atypical video card. The revision would just cement that fact, where as right now its purely speculation.

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Am I wrong in assuming that all the current throttling is done at the driver level and based on the exe?
Or is it a draw throttle, say 50a and the card throttles?
From my experimentation and benching, I believe that both are the case. However, certain programs appear on a black list, Crysis/3DMark11 for instance, and therefore get more thorough "OCP/PDL" and are limited to an invisible level of speed/voltage which can be graphed to peak at 730 MHz @ 0.981v, but there is no editable value in the BIOS to change these numbers which leads me to believe its "driver" based OCP. Its very specific in nature.

I personally found Unigine on the other hand very flexible up to about 830 MHz. Unigine seems to be reliant on the "bios" based OCP/PDL. These PDL values are visible in the BIOS, and one can easily edit the default OCP clocks and voltages to prevent the invisible downclocking, but to do so would put one at hardware risk and void warranty obviously. Not a smart route to go. This OCP isn't as bad as the driver based one and a 30% overclock is nothing to scoff at
Edited by RagingCain - 5/14/11 at 5:21pm
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NVIDIA should follow Intel and let everyone RMA their 590 for a 'fixed' version.
Why would they??? The card runs fine at stock speeds...Thats all a card is ever promised to run...If you blow it up by even running it 1mgz over stock speeds then that is your problem...Not Nvidia's.
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Nvidia must have known about the problems. They were the one doing to the QA so they must have known the limits of the VRM/inductor components. I really hope Nvidia puts higher quality VRM and inductors on their cards from now on, especially since their cards do consume a lot more power. It would not be the first time Nvidia denied any problems with their GPUs.

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Why would they??? The card runs fine at stock speeds...Thats all a card is ever promised to run...If you blow it up by even running it 1mgz over stock speeds then that is your problem...Not Nvidia's.
The problem with that is there will be a higher failure rate. Imagine Intel 2600k that fry if you overclock by 1 MHz or overvolt by 20 mV.
Edited by Riou - 5/14/11 at 5:34pm
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NOTICE, buying all 590's at half price
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Originally Posted by grunion View Post
Granted numbers are sufficient.

I'm going on record, worst roll out of a card in a long time.

In house testing should have caught it, probably did.
But the pressure to release the card was more important.
True, imo since the ati xt days


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I'd be surprised if there isn't a trade-in program.
would be nice to those that bought one
    
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