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Originally Posted by RagingCain;13505783 
Well Grunion, I get what you and quite a few senior members said about the card, but to be honest, apart from a small BIOS glitch, these cards are serious performers.

VRMs not as robust as they could be or not. They can even overclock well.

Do I believe that every card that blew up was stock @ stock voltage? Absolutely not. Is it possible a couple were? Absolutely. Raziel is the first user I have heard from that claimed his card died on a blown resister/transducer just off of a VRM at stock voltages with a slight overclock. I give Raziel the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't overvolting it. He can't prove that to me though, but I will take his word for it.

Going back to this, I was very surprised to see the cards net the same ppd as my two 470s. So I was very very disappointed at it's performance stock and oc'd. Hopefully the new revision would remedy this.
    
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post #42 of 133
This will be my next card. BF3 baby.
post #43 of 133
well better late than never...

lets hope Nvidia actually makes some other improvements as well

1) 3gb of Vram per card - total of 6gb Vram ~ why not? it is their flagship card, and Vram really isn't that hard to put on a gpu

2) Much better and more VRMs. Enough to overclock this thing to 1ghz (looks ath msi lightning)

3) Better stock clocks ~ so that it is the no.1 card without question

if we see all of this, then I personally wouldn't mind handing over some extra $$ for the best gpu out there atm
post #44 of 133
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Originally Posted by grunion;13506383 
I take it there is no way to monitor the amps being drawn?

I can give you VRM voltage / GPU voltage if you want to convert that with the theoretical wattage usage into amperage.

I have no leads, nor space in my water cooled GPUs to take measurements. I am sure TIN knows though, he redesigned the power delivery of the card himself.

http://www.kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1163

Page #5 specifically for his pretty mods:
http://www.kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1163&page=5
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post #45 of 133
Nvidia really dropped the ball on this one. Hope the new ones are better. Would be so angry if I had jumped in on the first ones!
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Completely irrelevant....If I advertise a card to work at 630 MHZ and it runs at 629MHZ...but is not stable then you can return it and be upset because it does not run as advertised...If it runs 100% stable at 630 but not at 631...then that is not the makers problem...Could it result in lower sales....sure...however to give out new cards...Nah...
My case was about the amperage. Run new game X, then the VRMs burst into flames. I am not talking only about overclocking. The electrical delivery system is severely inadequate. It can barely handle stock. When companies sell products on the market, they want to provide additional headroom to reduce the failure rate.

AMD VRM system on their cards are much more expensive and robust. VRMs will almost never be a failure point on AMD cards. On the Nvidia GTX 570 and 590, VRMs will be a highly likely failure point.

My GTX 570's VRMs burnt out at stock speed. These same VRMs are used in the GTX 590.

The fact of the matter is people are going to overclock these cards. This is OCN "The Pursuit of Performance."
post #47 of 133
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Originally Posted by RagingCain;13506100 
Which is why, I personally would want my cards replaced, not because they are doing a good job right this minute, but because the chance to fail is higher than your atypical video card. The revision would just cement that fact, where as right now its purely speculation.



From my experimentation and benching, I believe that both are the case. However, certain programs appear on a black list, Crysis/3DMark11 for instance, and therefore get more thorough "OCP/PDL" and are limited to an invisible level of speed/voltage which can be graphed to peak at 730 MHz @ 0.981v, but there is no editable value in the BIOS to change these numbers which leads me to believe its "driver" based OCP. Its very specific in nature.

I personally found Unigine on the other hand very flexible up to about 830 MHz. Unigine seems to be reliant on the "bios" based OCP/PDL. These PDL values are visible in the BIOS, and one can easily edit the default OCP clocks and voltages to prevent the invisible downclocking, but to do so would put one at hardware risk and void warranty obviously. Not a smart route to go. This OCP isn't as bad as the driver based one and a 30% overclock is nothing to scoff at smile.gif


i doubt that nvidia has an hardware power throtling method ...


if you have enough guts to try it on your own card you could change the .exe name of a benchmark for a game .exe name and run your card through its pace ....


and then change back the .exe to its original name and re-test it for a couples more passes and see if its done via software or hardware ....


if its software it would have different behavior just by changing the .exe .. and if its hardware it would have no change since it would have the same load so throtling would happen on the same point by itself ....
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Originally Posted by Riou;13506637 
My case was about the amperage. Run new game X, then the VRMs burst into flames. I am not talking only about overclocking. The electrical delivery system is severely inadequate. It can barely handle stock. When companies sell products on the market, they want to provide additional headroom to reduce the failure rate.

AMD VRM system on their cards are much more expensive and robust. VRMs will almost never be a failure point on AMD cards. On the Nvidia GTX 570 and 590, VRMs will be a highly likely failure point.

My GTX 570's VRMs burnt out at stock speed. These same VRMs are used in the GTX 590.

The fact of the matter is people are going to overclock these cards. This is OCN "The Pursuit of Performance."

I dont doubt that people are going to OC....I currently have mine running great at 745MHZ...All I am saying is that if you OC...and it breaks...Well isnt that the risk we all take...We should be happy with what a card or chip allows...it shouldnt be expected...
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i doubt that nvidia has an hardware power throtling method ...


if you have enough guts to try it on your own card you could change the .exe name of a benchmark for a game .exe name and run your card through its pace ....


and then change back the .exe to its original name and re-test it for a couples more passes and see if its done via software or hardware ....


if its software it would have different behavior just by changing the .exe .. and if its hardware it would have no change since it would have the same load so throtling would happen on the same point by itself ....

Lol guts haha, I do still have #1 for GTX 590 for overclocking on HWBOT @ 30%, and ran easily 50 benchmarks in a single day at the highest possible voltages / clocks I could obtain in several benchmarks ranging from Crysis, Furmark, Kombustor, Metro2033, AVP, all the way to Unigine.

There is hardware throttling, its in the BIOS of every GTX 590 for anybody to see using Nibitor 6.3
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Oh man, I would feel awful right now if I had bought a 590 and a waterblock. Apparently, this revised 590 will have a different pcb, so you will have to get rev. 2 waterblocks if you ever need to replace it or just flat out want the new version.

Ouch. -1 nvidia.
     
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