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smile.gif Was wondering when you were going to post tator biggrin.gif

Is sparkle really a good company? I remember back when they started doing video cards but for some reason I just can't get over the name lmao
Yes, they're power supplies are top notch right now.

The Gold Class 750, 850, 1000, & 1250w units are all solid performers and it seems that with OCZ also using the same platform for their ZX series units; Great Wall has had a nice jump up in Quality Control.

Though the OCZ units are arguably better than the Sparkle's for (review samples) having the better build quality. Generally that translates to all units of a particular design.

Though; really for a 1200w unit in the 80+ Gold sector (right now) it matters who is the cheapest. The only one I would avoid is the Cooler Master for the high ripple presented.

OCZ ZX 1250w Review
(Yes, TechPowerUp!'s PSU reviews are reputable now.)
Sparkle Gold Class 1200w Review
Corsair AX1200 Review
Antec HCP-1200 Review
Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 1200w Review
Thortech Thunderbolt 1200w Review

The Antec HCP-1200 is arguably the best so far though, with slightly better voltage regulation and much better transient response than the Corsair AX1200.
AX1200 and HCP-1200 both feature better component selection than the competition though.

Silverstone's Strider Gold unit hasn't been tested by one of the proper sites (IE: that do testing around 35*C or higher.) Though, one site did do testing on it, and as expected it's voltage regulation was just about the same as the Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold (as they're based on the same platform.) It had much better Ripple suppression than Cooler Master's offering (which is normal, as Cooler Master always cheaps out in that regard.) It came in around 40mv/12v, 15mv/5v, & 11mv/3.3v. Which is respectable, just not amazing.

Thermaltake's new Toughpower Grand 1200w (click close up) is based on the same platform as the Thortech Thunderbolt 1200w, which isn't a bad platform. It's rather lack luster though.

Still, all are better than the Tubro Cool 1200w
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Thanks for the info Tator, I will probably go with the Antec HCP-1200. I have one more question though, I'm trying to find some information on the multirail PSUs, it says they have 8 30a rails I believe. How many watts does that convert to in a PSU?
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Thanks for the info Tator, I will probably go with the Antec HCP-1200. I have one more question though, I'm trying to find some information on the multirail PSUs, it says they have 8 30a rails I believe. How many watts does that convert to in a PSU?
Multirail PSU's just use a simple system of protection circuits (which are good) to split up the main source of power.

The HCP-1200 has somewhere around 98 to 100 Amps on the 12v rail. That total is then divided up by circuits (so that if a short happens on one wire, it won't hit every cable coming out of the PSU.)

Multirail PSU's are essentially safer (for the pure and simple fact that they have more protections in place.)

The 30A is a number given to tell you when the OCP trip point will activate.

Wattage is calculated by Amps x Volts = Watts.

Antec has a large write up on this matter:
http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/PSU/Myth3.php

While their write up is filled with a lot of marketing blab (IE: they're trying to push multi rail on you, but single rail units are not some massive fire hazard that'll burn your house down.) it still has good points in it.
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Wattage is calculated by Amps x Volts = Watts.


While their write up is filled with a lot of marketing blab (IE: they're trying to push multi rail on you, but single rail units are not some massive fire hazard that'll burn your house down.) it still has good points in it.
Thanks for the link. Question about my math though. if Amps*Volts = Watts, then 30A rail at 110v = 3300W??? that can't be right.
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My best bet:
antec hcp1200 & corsair ax1200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256069
I suggest u to get this psu if u dont want that antec or corsair,
silverstone strider gold 1200watt
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PC Power & Cooling is kind of a mix right now.

From what I understand, they were one of the few to make really good (if expensive) higher end PSUs long ago when next to nobody else did, back when garbage PSUs ruled the landscape, and when the PSU market heated up the last few years, they sort of failed to adapt, while also sticking with some design decisions adamantly while they weren't necessarily superior (though at the same time, I think the flak for those decisions is somewhat as overblown as their marketing for such decisions was, which may be where the flak comes from?).

They still make great units, but so do others, usually with much more competitive pricing. In that regard, they're more of a niche, but they were before too (less people cared about good PSUs than they do today).

The other problem is, since OCZ bought them, some of their models adapted and gave in to the modular/120mm fan aspects, but also aren't as good as they used to be.

They aren't your typical recommendation, but they're not "bad" if you want one regardless out of preference/bias or something.
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Thanks for the link. Question about my math though. if Amps*Volts = Watts, then 30A rail at 110v = 3300W??? that can't be right.
You take the Line Voltage, not the Source Voltage.

So you take the Amperage of the rail (12v, 3.3v, -12v, 5v, or 5vSB) and multiply it by the given voltage of the rail.

(So 30 x 12 = 360)

This does not mean that the unit can output 360w x 8 though (because it has 8 12v rails) it just means that that value is the current limit for the unit.

Most multi rail PSU's either give you a wattage (IE: 1200w) or current number (IE: 100A) to tell you the PSU's total limit on a given rail.

Often you'll see the 5v & 3.3v combined into a total wattage between 120w and 150w with 25-35A on each rail.



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From what I understand, they were one of the few to make really good (if expensive) higher end PSUs long ago when next to nobody else did, back when garbage PSUs ruled the landscape, and when the PSU market heated up the last few years, they sort of failed to adapt, while also sticking with some design decisions adamantly while they weren't necessarily superior (though at the same time, I think the flak for those decisions is somewhat as overblown as their marketing for such decisions was, which may be where the flak comes from?).
Back in the day, Antec made good PSU's as well as other companies. PC Power just got it's name in the US because it put a lot of money into marketing and selling their image.
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They still make great units, but so do others, usually with much more competitive pricing. In that regard, they're more of a niche, but they were before too (less people cared about good PSUs than they do today).
PC Power's niche is that they're a long term, established brand. Though currently they hold little market share on their own.
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The other problem is, since OCZ bought them, some of their models adapted and gave in to the modular/120mm fan aspects, but also aren't as good as they used to be.
No PC Power & Cooling units are modular; and some are better than what was available in the past. The problem is the pricing. You end up paying for the name.
Edited by Tator Tot - 5/15/11 at 2:09pm
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256054
silverstone strider 1500watt
the ultimate psu,it can even run 4x gtx580 with no problem
Edited by Aniket - 5/15/11 at 2:15pm
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Lol pc and power cooling will be behind in times coz they don't exist anymore. They were brought into the OCZ GROUP back in 2007 and you'll get their psus under OCZ brand.
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Back in the day, Antec made good PSU's as well as other companies. PC Power just got it's name in the US because it put a lot of money into marketing and selling their image.
I didn't say PC Power & Cooling was the only good PSU manufacturer back then. I simply meant that the PSU market lacked the saturation/competitiveness and wide appeal it has today. PC power & Cooling seemed "better" back then since there was fewer good PSU makers (of which they were one), plus there was their marketing as you mentioned (capatolizing on things before it became widespread in appeal). My point was merely that PC Power & Cooling didn't necessarily flat out get worse so much as they failed to adapt.
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No PC Power & Cooling units are modular; and some are better than what was available in the past. The problem is the pricing. You end up paying for the name.
I wasn't aware the newer (Silencer Mk II) models weren't modular. I figured they were since they they gave in on the 120mm fan, but I'm guilty as not having checked.

I was under the impression the newer Mk II series wasn't as higher tier compared to what they used to offer, however. I know the "original" Silencer line has the 760W and 910W units which are still supposedly better, but it was the Mk II units I was referring to with that comment.
Edited by Princess Garnet - 5/15/11 at 3:23pm
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