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Originally Posted by -Apocalypse-;13546322 
9/10 570s can overclock to the 850 core needed to match the 580 at stock, which is ~15-20% faster than a stock 570, but 580s can overclock 15-20% past where 570s can reach.

Price/performance the difference between 570/580 isn't worth it. However, an overclocked 570 will definitely be a noticeable improvement over your 450 SLI.

Gaaaaaaaah mad.gif this is frustrating!! I was hell bent on getting a 580, but now seeing the price difference, I'm considering a 570...

One problem: I heard a lot of the x70 cards, (I cant remember if it was 470 or 570) keep dying even from simple OC'ing. I've seen countless threads asking if others have killed their 570's. I don't want to take that chance. My household isn't the most tech savvy, so if something does go wrong... its all downhill from there redface.gif
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Originally Posted by shinigamibob;13517794 
I'm thinking of upgrading my dual GTS 450's to something with more oomph... something that is a single card - not SLI.

I don't know what to get because my 450's in SLI slightly beat a 470. I don't know if the 580 will provide a big improvement (20+fps) over my current setup, so ideas on that is appreciated.

FYI - I'm running a single 24" 1080p monitor. I'll be upgrading to another one... or maybe 2... So the ability to run all 3 monitors would be nice.

One last thing: If it runs cool (as in a TF II or DC) I'm all ears, so long as it not a triple slot... Triple slot + SLI later on = fail

Thanks for any suggestions

Max price will be around $500 CAD - flexible budget though

I know you want a single gpu solution,but still I want to give you a bit unusual suggestion,please dont take it badly,
get 2x hd6950,it costs less than a gtx580 but performs much better.
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I know you want a single gpu solution,but still I want to give you a bit unusual suggestion,please dont take it badly,
get 2x hd6950,it costs less than a gtx580 but performs much better.

Thanks for the suggestion - but I NEED support of CUDA. I realize ATI does have Stream, but the API support for that is nowhere as widespread as CUDA. A lot of my video encoding programs rely on CUDA to accelerate the rendering process.
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570 will be some improvement over 450 sli, but not enough to warrant the $$ imo.

I would wait for the next process shrink and series of gpus to upgrade the 450s. Smaller process should also run cooler and quieter.
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570 will be some improvement over 450 sli, but not enough to warrant the $$ imo.

I would wait for the next process shrink and series of gpus to upgrade the 450s. Smaller process should also run cooler and quieter.

I was afraid of that... dang...I was really looking forward to a new GPU for the summer
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Unfortunately, AMD has the better variety of options when it comes to multi-monitor gaming. At an extreme resolution like 5760x1080, VRAM is a huge issue. You'll really want a card with at least 2GB of memory. Sadly, no Nvidia cards come with 2GB VRAM by reference design.

Since you're set on NVidia, which means you'll be forced into going SLI for surround anyway, you may want to consider grabbing two 2GB 560 Tis. It's a more cost effective high res solution that falls within your $500 budget. There are no 2.4GB 570s in the west so the next best option green side would be 3GB 580 SLI, but that's closer to an $1100 investment.

Something to consider at least. 560 SLI would be a very dramatic improvement over 450 SLI. The 560 Ti is already nearly twice as fast as a 450, which means even with optimal SLI scaling the a single 560 should edge two 450s in most cases.

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Originally Posted by james8;13518973 
no it goes like this 560 > 470, 570 > 480. those are not equal.
but yea, if u want pure fastest single GPU performance get 480. if u want more value, get 570 or 6970

Bah ... I'll take on 560's at max OC's (on air) in any test you wanna run (aside from Vantage, where 5K series has a bizarre level of performance) cool.gif

Sure, 560's start out slightly ahead @ stock, but they can't pull down 41% OC's like I can thumb.gif

And I personally wouldn't consider the 570 to be distinctly more powerful card than a 480. It's arguably a 'better' card due to efficiency reasons, but it's really not more powerful. At stock clocks they exchange blows, and the 570 doesn't clock that much higher.

Put it this way, in terms of your 'maximum playable settings' across all games at 1080p with all these cards at their max OC's, there would only be the TINIEST of differences between all of them. Like, one level of AA difference.

However, 2x480's stands by far the best chance of being to run everything well in Surround mode. Of course, in SLI on air they tend to sound like a small helicopter is lifting off in your room, but ... tongue.gif

Honestly for non 3d surround ... I'd go with eyefinity, IOW unlocked 6950's. Those are really really sweet cards, super high fps/watt ratio, extremely reasonably-priced, and are just built (or maybe it's driver tweaks) for high res. Plus the scaling is sweet. And they can encode, just not super fast. However they do encode w/much better quality than nV does at it's uber speeds. You sacrifice a good deal of IQ with nvidia's mega speeds, believe me.

PhysX is pretty meh, all things considered.

C'mon, how many games REALLY benefit, where you actually would seriously 'miss out' w/o it? How about ... none?

Also, there are physX hacks that allow you to run nV card for it even w/AMD main card.

I actually think the H2O effects in JC2 might just be the very biggest benefit (as a 'special feature' I mean) to getting an nV card, as opposed to physX ... yet I played the whole game w/o it when it came out on my heavily OC'd 5850's, and didn't miss it ... until I had it tongue.gif

Not trying to steer you away from nV, at all ... I love nV, love my cards ... but for this (potential 3 monitor) application, at current prices ... I really don't think nV can compete w/the AMD offering unless $ is no object and you go 2x580 3GB, which is BANK and has limited selections.

I won't say it's no-brainer, but unlocked 6950's makes a VERY attractive option in my book in the current marketplace.

If they made a reasonably priced 2560MB GTX570 ... now THAT might compete.
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Thanks for the suggestion - but I NEED support of CUDA. I realize ATI does have Stream, but the API support for that is nowhere as widespread as CUDA. A lot of my video encoding programs rely on CUDA to accelerate the rendering process.

Then wait for msi gtx580 lightning extreme edition 3gb,
its coming out within few weeks.
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Bah ... I'll take on 560's at max OC's (on air) in any test you wanna run (aside from Vantage, where 5K series has a bizarre level of performance) cool.gif

Sure, 560's start out slightly ahead @ stock, but they can't pull down 41% OC's like I can thumb.gif

And I personally wouldn't consider the 570 to be distinctly more powerful card than a 480. It's arguably a 'better' card due to efficiency reasons, but it's really not more powerful. At stock clocks they exchange blows, and the 570 doesn't clock that much higher.

Put it this way, in terms of your 'maximum playable settings' across all games at 1080p with all these cards at their max OC's, there would only be the TINIEST of differences between all of them. Like, one level of AA difference.

However, 2x480's stands by far the best chance of being to run everything well in Surround mode. Of course, in SLI on air they tend to sound like a small helicopter is lifting off in your room, but ... tongue.gif

Honestly for non 3d surround ... I'd go with eyefinity, IOW unlocked 6950's. Those are really really sweet cards, super high fps/watt ratio, extremely reasonably-priced, and are just built (or maybe it's driver tweaks) for high res. Plus the scaling is sweet. And they can encode, just not super fast. However they do encode w/much better quality than nV does at it's uber speeds. You sacrifice a good deal of IQ with nvidia's mega speeds, believe me.

PhysX is pretty meh, all things considered.

C'mon, how many games REALLY benefit, where you actually would seriously 'miss out' w/o it? How about ... none?

Also, there are physX hacks that allow you to run nV card for it even w/AMD main card.

I actually think the H2O effects in JC2 might just be the very biggest benefit (as a 'special feature' I mean) to getting an nV card, as opposed to physX ... yet I played the whole game w/o it when it came out on my heavily OC'd 5850's, and didn't miss it ... until I had it tongue.gif

Not trying to steer you away from nV, at all ... I love nV, love my cards ... but for this (potential 3 monitor) application, at current prices ... I really don't think nV can compete w/the AMD offering unless $ is no object and you go 2x580 3GB, which is BANK and has limited selections.

I won't say it's no-brainer, but unlocked 6950's makes a VERY attractive option in my book in the current marketplace.

If they made a reasonably priced 2560MB GTX570 ... now THAT might compete.

You hit the nail on the head.

For multi monitor gaming, you need more than 1gb of vram. 6950s are the good budget choice.

How about you keep your gt450s for folding on a different pc and get 6950s?
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I was going to quote a bunch of replies here until I realized that there were too many to do so.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys, but now I'm even more confused... now I'm starting to consider ATI's as well... The problem with the 560's is that it won't really give me more performance with just a single card. I'd have to buy two - its not the budget thats the problem, its just aesthetics and overall GPU temps.

The 580 just doesn't seem to be competitively priced as compared to the 570, but I heard that either the 470 or the 570 has VRM issues.

I'm also seriously considering the 6970 - considering its about $150 cheaper than a 580 but performs about 10% better...

I just don't know what to do now... frown.gif
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