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Basically i have a few questions..
Before I go any further. What is raid besides combining 2 hdds? what are its advantages? I know google could probably tell me but i trust you guys more.

So
Im building a new rig and want to know if im setting it up right
Ill be mainly using it for the following.
-Gaming
-File storage/movies tv shows etc
-music production

Is my best option to have SDD as boot drive
Then game installs/program installs on a 7200rpm (looking at 500gb)
Then storage on a RAID0 7200rpm hdd config? Around 2tb (mainly movies/ music files etc)

Im not overly concerned about my storage perfomance..
So my main question is for the programs I wont be transfering to my SSD for excessive everyday usage should I get a single 500gb for programfiles or should I get 2 smaller 250GB drives and raid them together? Just so they can attempt to keep up with my SSD?

Thanks for being patient
Zac

EDIT: IM RETARDED THERE IS A STICKY, Id still appreciate your help though
Edited by hzac - 5/15/11 at 10:21pm
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RAID is a way to set up your hard drive. Well actually a few different ways to set it up. The most common is RAID 0. With RAID 0 you have two identical drives but they act as one. When you write something to that RAID array it writes part on one and part on the other. That way you are only writing half of the material on each one so it goes much faster. The problem with this is that if one hard drive goes then all the information is gone. There is also RAID 1. RAID 1 has two hard drives and when you write something on that array it writes both things to both hard drives. This is strictly for redundancy and is not give you any performance gains. There is also RAID 1+0 or RAID 10 to some. This combines the two and you need a minimum of 4 hard drives for it to work. There are a few others but I'm not 100% sure about that.
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Ok well What raid would be the best for me to keep my movies as long as possible? Or would it be pointless raiding them if more concerned about keeping the files longer rather than how fast they transfer?
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Ok well What raid would be the best for me to keep my movies as long as possible? Or would it be pointless raiding them if more concerned about keeping the files longer rather than how fast they transfer?
What do you mean by keeping them longer? If you mean you want to make sure you don't lose the information than RAID 1 would work best because you get that replication onto the second drive. This way if one drive fails then you don't lose your info.
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Redundant Array of Integrated Disks

There are many different types of Raids, off the top of my head:

Raid0 (aka stripping) - This is for performance. Data is broken up between the drives. Down side is if one drive takes a dump, all data is lost because it was spread across the drives.

Raid1 (aka mirroring) - This is for fault tolerance. Everything is written identically to both drives. One drive dies, no big deal.

There are others that combine both performance and fault tolerance but I'm far to lazy to look it up or explain it.

Edit: I need to type faster lol
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Why are you going with such small capacity drives for your programs and storage drives?

Are prices that much more in Austrailia?
I have seem 1 TB drives for $70 (programs) and 2 TB drives for $80 (storage)

Personally I would get 2 Western Digital 1TB cavair blacks and raid 0 them for your programs, and get one or two 2TB drives for storage. No need to raid the storage drives if you plan on keeping music/pictures/movies on them as all that type of media will load plenty fast off even a slow hdd (no delays in the movies or music). You can, but the benefit is meh.

If you are worried about losing your stored media, then you could raid1 the drives, but your 2x2tb drives will act as a single 2tb drive (losing 50% of your storage capacity)

I have also just recently seen the wd 1.5 TB drives on sale for like $80 (maybe it was 90) but prices seem to be dropping pretty fast with ssds gaining popularity.

I would definately get a 60gb ssd for your OS. You will probably want to move your defauly save locations and the location of yout temp folders, but it makes windows much 'snappier'
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Why are you going with such small capacity drives for your programs and storage drives?

Are prices that much more in Austrailia?
I have seem 1 TB drives for $70 (programs) and 2 TB drives for $80 (storage)

Personally I would get 2 Western Digital 1TB cavair blacks and raid 0 them for your programs, and get one or two 2TB drives for storage. No need to raid the storage drives if you plan on keeping music/pictures/movies on them as all that type of media will load plenty fast off even a slow hdd (no delays in the movies or music). You can, but the benefit is meh.

If you are worried about losing your stored media, then you could raid1 the drives, but your 2x2tb drives will act as a single 2tb drive (losing 50% of your storage capacity)

I have also just recently seen the wd 1.5 TB drives on sale for like $80 (maybe it was 90) but prices seem to be dropping pretty fast with ssds gaining popularity.

I would definately get a 60gb ssd for your OS. You will probably want to move your defauly save locations and the location of yout temp folders, but it makes windows much 'snappier'
I would not recommend the Western Digital Caviar Blacks. You can get the Samsung F3 1tb for cheaper and it's faster than the caviar black. I've seen those run as low as $50.
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Raid 0 - Minimum number of disks needed: 2. Raid 0 Combines two of the same hard drive to double the size. ie(1tb + 1tb = 2tb). Raid 0 is the least secure because if one drive fails, you lose all of the data. Raid 0 will also increase your overall read and write speed.

Raid 1 - Minimum number of disks needed: 2 Raid 1 is a mirror image of the first drive. This is format is secure because you have a copy of all of the data. However, you can only utilize 1tb of the space and the other is there just in case. No increase in performance

Raid 5 - Minimum number of disks needed: 3 Raid 5 splits the data between three or more drives and saves the redundancy data on each drive. ie(1tb + 1tb +1tb + 1tb= approx 3tb) This format is very secure and it also increases speed. This is the option I chose.

Raid 10 or 1+0 - Minimum number of disks needed: 4 Raid 10 combines 0 and 1 and basically allows for you to take two hard drives and make them one and then take the other two hard drives for use as a backup. ie(1tb + 1tb + 1tb + 1tb= 2tb) You will have speed improvement but you will not have as much space as raid 0 or raid 5.

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Thanks to everyone who has replied so for. YOuve been a real help in letting me understand what HDDs can do. The be honest back in the day when i built my rig space was space and i could care less otherwise haha.

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Why are you going with such small capacity drives for your programs and storage drives?

Are prices that much more in Austrailia?
I have seem 1 TB drives for $70 (programs) and 2 TB drives for $80 (storage)

Personally I would get 2 Western Digital 1TB cavair blacks and raid 0 them for your programs, and get one or two 2TB drives for storage. No need to raid the storage drives if you plan on keeping music/pictures/movies on them as all that type of media will load plenty fast off even a slow hdd (no delays in the movies or music). You can, but the benefit is meh.

If you are worried about losing your stored media, then you could raid1 the drives, but your 2x2tb drives will act as a single 2tb drive (losing 50% of your storage capacity)

I have also just recently seen the wd 1.5 TB drives on sale for like $80 (maybe it was 90) but prices seem to be dropping pretty fast with ssds gaining popularity.

I would definately get a 60gb ssd for your OS. You will probably want to move your defauly save locations and the location of yout temp folders, but it makes windows much 'snappier'
The truth is I dont really had a need for more than 500GB for my programs and installs. Maybe once I start seriously gaming again that will fill up but ive been using my 320gb for 4 years now and have never once filled it to its maximum? Maybe when the time comes Ill splurge and get more but why by what isnt necessary imo.

Thanks for the heads up though. I will definately raid 0 my installs/programs as it would not be a loss as much as it would just be a nuisance to resintall which overall wouldnt really bother me.

As for the storage well now ill just guess ill wing it when the time comes.. if they are as cheap as you say they are i might raid1 2x 2tb ones just to be safe as i already have 1.5tb of external storage. it would be nice to know that my inportant stuff is atleast safer.

Thanks for your insight

Edit: or possible raid10 with 4x1tb but that seems overkill for me.
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Raid 5 - Minimum number of disks needed: 3 Raid 5 splits the data between three or more drives and saves the redundancy data on each drive. ie(1tb + 1tb +1tb + 1tb= approx 3tb) This format is very secure and it also increases speed. This is the option I chose.
Raid 5 capacity is actually n-1, so 3x1tb drives = 2tb usable storage.

Edit: silly phone hid your math from me...
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