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These days it's necessary to err on the side of troll - I apologize op if this truly was serious.
That is a terrible way to browse the forum. In fact, it is attitudes like that that cause the experience to get progressively worse for others. I hope everyone keeps reading this post because it is not just directed at you, Iceman. Trolls are looking for getting people riled up. If you come across a thread that could possibly be trolling (I'm talking like this, not an obvious attempt at a flame war) then answer it with a well thought out post just as you would want someone to reply to your post.

So many members fail to realize that this is a public forum. Any questions and answers found here are not just for the sole benefit of the inquirer and responder. This thread will be for all of the internet to find via search engines, link-backs, and social means. Even if the OP were trolling, the person who comes to this thread after this discussion has faded away, legitimately looking for an answer to the OP's question, will be able to find one rather than wade through all the crap people feel is somehow justified when they are suspicious of something.

Long story short, don't post unless you have something useful and helpful otherwise you are worse than the trolls.




For the person asking this question, I think your answer can be found well enough throughout this thread. I agree that many people will never need a sound card if they don't have quality speakers or headphones but the possibilities a sound card brings are definitely worth it. I have many more outputs and a built in headphone amp that I use daily so for me, I love it.
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The way I see it a good sound card clears up the sound and brings out the energy in it that can normally only be heard live. Sound cards also come with post-processing affects like Dolby Headphones to emulate surround sound in headphones, it works a lot better than you might think.
I listen to a lot of metal that has been purposely recorded on the worst equipment available and my sound card still makes a difference.
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post #33 of 52
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...Pair them with a good headset or awesome speakers and you'll hear things in games/movies/music that you've never heard before.

Oh, you can get those things with onboard sound. Except, they're sounds that weren't originally included in the recording. I think they call them "artifacts"

Ontopic: There are plenty of reasons for upgrading to a sound card. Clarity, sound stage, imaging, less cpu load (not that it matters as much in this day and age, but any little boost in performance...). Though, sound is a subjective thing. To each, their own.
Edited by Lucky 13 SpeedShop - 5/16/11 at 8:51pm
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post #34 of 52
basically if your using a analog connection and you want positional audio in games where surround sound gets simulated on your headsets stereo speakers you'll need a soundcard to get better quality for it. Just to clear one thing up.
The conversion to dolby doesn't get done by the card itself. Its being done via software by the cards driver. That's why most games only throw out the surround sound with analog connections.
Yes a soundcard does have a better Dac than the onboard but then you'll have to look at what's your needs and what your going to use it for.
Now if we wanna play I have the better Dac game and your using the pc to listen to music and full surround sound movies then you can look at the digital way. most onboard these days have a digital connection enabling you to connect your receiver or home theatre to your pc. This means that the conversion to analog will be done by your receiver or home theatre.
Now who's got the better Dac? sound cards Dacs are not as good as the ones you'll get in receivers etc. So in a case like that you don't need a soundcard.
Will hooking the soundcard via digital give me better quality? No. It will just pass the audio thru to your receiver for conversion and you will have basically wasted your money on it. there are other devices aswell which are external like that Astra amp which will help with positional audio with headsets. But its basically just a external headphone amp that you get on soundcards.
So in the end of the day you got to look at your equipment and your connection before buying one. Some cases they're not needed some cases they are
post #35 of 52
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That is a terrible way to browse the forum. In fact, it is attitudes like that that cause the experience to get progressively worse for others. I hope everyone keeps reading this post because it is not just directed at you, Iceman. Trolls are looking for getting people riled up. If you come across a thread that could possibly be trolling (I'm talking like this, not an obvious attempt at a flame war) then answer it with a well thought out post just as you would want someone to reply to your post.

So many members fail to realize that this is a public forum. Any questions and answers found here are not just for the sole benefit of the inquirer and responder. This thread will be for all of the internet to find via search engines, link-backs, and social means. Even if the OP were trolling, the person who comes to this thread after this discussion has faded away, legitimately looking for an answer to the OP's question, will be able to find one rather than wade through all the crap people feel is somehow justified when they are suspicious of something.

Long story short, don't post unless you have something useful and helpful otherwise you are worse than the trolls.




For the person asking this question, I think your answer can be found well enough throughout this thread. I agree that many people will never need a sound card if they don't have quality speakers or headphones but the possibilities a sound card brings are definitely worth it. I have many more outputs and a built in headphone amp that I use daily so for me, I love it.
It may be a terrible way, and of course I'd prefer not to browse in such a manner, but it's become necessary. The amount of blatant ignorance and lack of rational thought I see daily makes it hard not to view every post skeptically - and I don't feel I am wrong in taking that approach. I like to think I put quite a lot of thought into my posts and I provide a lot of information and help, especially in this forum, and I think others would agree.

I will help those who put time into discovering their own solution. The OP clearly put no thought or effort into this post - a simple 5 second search of google would have provided an answer. Moderators that support a search first, ask questions later approach will do more to combat the trolls and nonsense than anything else.

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Now who's got the better Dac? sound cards Dacs are not as good as the ones you'll get in receivers etc. So in a case like that you don't need a soundcard.
Will hooking the soundcard via digital give me better quality? No. It will just pass the audio thru to your receiver for conversion and you will have basically wasted your money on it.
The DAC in an integrated receiver is most certainly not always better than a sound card. Cards such as the STX perform very very well - don't think you'll get the same performance out of a $300 receiver that must also include countless other components. In the case of an external DAC (maybe this is what you meant), you can find improved performance over sound cards around the $200 range, give or take.
Edited by Iceman23 - 5/16/11 at 8:57pm
post #36 of 52
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It may be a terrible way, and of course I'd prefer not to browse in such a manner, but it's become necessary. The amount of blatant ignorance and lack of rational thought I see daily makes it hard not to view every post skeptically - and I don't feel I am wrong in taking that approach. I like to think I put quite a lot of thought into my posts and I provide a lot of information and help, especially in this forum, and I think others would agree.

I will help those who put time into discovering their own solution. The OP clearly put no thought or effort into this post - a simple 5 second search of google would have provided an answer. Moderators that support a search first, ask questions later approach will do more to combat the trolls and nonsense than anything else.
First off, it doesn't really matter how much information and help you give in other threads, the comments in one are enough to to cause a bad impression. As for 'google it first', that's another fallacy that seems to be rather prevalent. When you 'google' something, where does it take you? Other sites where the information has been compiled. We are just one of many and to say that the information exists elsewhere means why post anything here? Again, what is our forum for if not answering questions? There are extremely few things on this forum that cannot be solved by searching other places on the internet. I can think of MAYBE 5 threads that are 'unique' to OCN in content. Also, just because an 'answer' may be found doesn't make it relevant or easily understood. There are countless Wikipedia articles on just about anything on OCN, yet many of them don't cover the practical questions members ask. Sure, a sound card is "an internal computer expansion card that facilitates the input and output of audio signals to and from a computer under control of computer programs." Wonderful. I as well prefer answers from others in similar situations with similar applications as opposed to an encyclopedic answer (though they also have their place).

Encouraging a search first will do nothing to stop trolls. It may stop redundant questions from people who didn't see the question asked before but trolls will troll no matter what. Again, if you ignore whether they are a troll and reply with a solid, well written, and helpful answer their 'trolling' will be completely worthless and it will turn a troll thread into a useful piece of information. If their information is completely worthless, report the post and move on.

In the end, all this "blatant ignorance and lack of rational thought" is only going to continue unless members who actually care to respond out of guidance and knowledge instead of to prove someone wrong. Your first 3 posts in this thread are completely worthless. If you can't see that, then feel free to PM me to continue this conversation further.
Edited by IEATFISH - 5/16/11 at 10:16pm
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post #37 of 52
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First off, it doesn't really matter how much information and help you give in other threads, the comments in one are enough to to cause a bad impression. As for 'google it first', that's another fallacy that seems to be rather prevalent. When you 'google' something, where does it take you? Other sites where the information has been compiled. We are just one of many and to say that the information exists elsewhere means why post anything here? Again, what is our forum for if not answering questions? There are extremely few things on this forum that cannot be solved by searching other places on the internet. I can think of MAYBE 5 threads that are 'unique' to OCN in content. Also, just because an 'answer' may be found doesn't make it relevant or easily understood. There are countless Wikipedia articles on just about anything on OCN, yet many of them don't cover the practical questions members ask. Sure, a sound card is "an internal computer expansion card that facilitates the input and output of audio signals to and from a computer under control of computer programs." Wonderful. I as well prefer answers from others in similar situations with similar applications as opposed to an encyclopedic answer (though they also have their place).

Encouraging a search first will do nothing to stop trolls. It may stop redundant questions from people who didn't see the question asked before but trolls will troll no matter what. Again, if you ignore whether they are a troll and reply with a solid, well written, and helpful answer their 'trolling' will be completely worthless and it will turn a troll thread into a useful piece of information. If their information is completely worthless, report the post and move on.

In the end, all this "blatant ignorance and lack of rational thought" is only going to continue unless members who actually care to respond out of guidance and knowledge instead of to prove someone wrong. Your first 3 posts in this thread are completely worthless. If you can't see that, then feel free to PM me to continue this conversation further.
Frankly, I don't really care what your impression of me is. In the sake of remaining in a community which I do in fact enjoy, I will refrain from further argument. But I will say, whatever the current moderation strategy is, it seems to have some shortcomings.
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It may be a terrible way, and of course I'd prefer not to browse in such a manner, but it's become necessary. The amount of blatant ignorance and lack of rational thought I see daily makes it hard not to view every post skeptically - and I don't feel I am wrong in taking that approach. I like to think I put quite a lot of thought into my posts and I provide a lot of information and help, especially in this forum, and I think others would agree.

I will help those who put time into discovering their own solution. The OP clearly put no thought or effort into this post - a simple 5 second search of google would have provided an answer. Moderators that support a search first, ask questions later approach will do more to combat the trolls and nonsense than anything else.



The DAC in an integrated receiver is most certainly not always better than a sound card. Cards such as the STX perform very very well - don't think you'll get the same performance out of a $300 receiver that must also include countless other components. In the case of an external DAC (maybe this is what you meant), you can find improved performance over sound cards around the $200 range, give or take.
Lol you are not serious.
Yamaha RX-V371 Surround Receiver goes for the same price.
STX stereo Dac meaning what 24bit/192 thru 2 channels right?
yamaha 24bit/192 thru all 5 channels.
Amplifier ->STX pft headphones ain't speakers nor does that card come close to pushing out 100w per channel.
The yamaha slaughter the STX in every possible way.
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Lol you are not serious.
Yamaha RX-V371 Surround Receiver goes for the same price.
STX stereo Dac meaning what 24bit/192 thru 2 channels right?
yamaha 24bit/192 thru all 5 channels.
Amplifier ->STX pft headphones ain't speakers nor does that card come close to pushing out 100w per channel.
The yamaha slaughter the STX in every possible way.
You can't just go off those specs. What you are saying is the equivalent of me saying that a 3GHz P4 is better than a 2.8GHz i7.

There are many other factors at play. More doesn't = better; quality > quantity.
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For me the biggest reason to get a dedicated sound card is to lighten the load on the CPU. True, a lot of us have pretty major CPUs that can handle it, but why add more to the load when a dedicated sound card can be had for usually not that much. For instance, I got my X-Fi XtremeMusic for only $30, so it made it totally worth it.
Sorry mate, this is false. First off it depends entirely on what sound card you have (if you're running a cheap sound card that only supports software effects and no hardware acceleration, like the Xonar DG or Creative Audigy SE, you'll gain nothing and in fact lose performance as they will carry out those effects through drivers, which translate into your CPU being used for this), secondly for the vast majority of the time sound cards do NOT lighten any load on the CPU as opposed to the on-board, the only time what you state is true is if you're running a handful of games that specifically state they use full hardware acceleration on your card. A game using EAX for example, will save a couple of frames per second in comparison to some on-board that would try and emulate this effect. At best, overall a sound card would try and match the performance (i.e. lowest possible CPU utilization, which is the only thing on-board audio manufacturers are concerned about) but output higher quality sound in the process.
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