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Alright so I've been saving some cash recently and I think it's time to upgrade the equipment.

Right now I shoot with an aged Rebel XS that has all sorts of problems:
- the pentaprism is internally dirty and crooked
- the shutter button is mushy (not in the good way)
- it's just too damn small for my hands even with the grip
- the noise performance is also poor (as you would expect) but in all honesty it gets the job done.

Now I know bodies are phased out and glass is everything so right now I am considering coughing up about $150 to get the Rebel overhauled and repaired then possibly replacing my 17-40L with something a little faster with say a 24LII or the 35L (Which would be the 50mm equiv on 1.6x).

the tl;dr

My question to you aficionados is what should I do?

(1) Keep the 17-40L + current lineup and splurge on a 7D (maybe 60D)?

(2) Repair the XS for $150 and buy some more glass
in which case:

(3) is the 17-40L worth replacing with a faster prime? 24L? or maybe 35L?
other lens options for some more range to my line-up 135L or 70-200 2.8L IS II

mind you I don't mind zooming with my feet if it means it's faster

I usually shoot landscape, cars, mostly people/events and the casual walk around. I wanna keep this a hobby so buying multiple setups are not going to be an option

Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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Crooked pentaprism? WUT. I think a 7D would be good. REMEMBER TO USE CLP! You can sell the XS in its condition on ebay for about 150-200. Then you can get a 7D for 1150 after taxes. Then save up for a 24L since a 35L could easily be substituted by a Sigma 30 (which you might want to get).
post #3 of 27
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Originally Posted by ohzer0 View Post
Alright so I've been saving some cash recently and I think it's time to upgrade the equipment.

Right now I shoot with an aged Rebel XS that has all sorts of problems:
- the pentaprism is internally dirty and crooked
- the shutter button is mushy (not in the good way)
- it's just too damn small for my hands even with the grip
- the noise performance is also poor (as you would expect) but in all honesty it gets the job done.
Actually, XS noise handling is not too bad. The size, however, is a problem if you're larger than a 10-year-old.


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Now I know bodies are phased out and glass is everything so right now I am considering coughing up about $150 to get the Rebel overhauled and repaired then possibly replacing my 17-40L with something a little faster with say a 24LII or the 35L (Which would be the 50mm equiv on 1.6x).
If you have money for a 24L II, what on earth are you doing with an XS? Glass is only half of the equation -- even though people preach constantly about glass before body, the reality is that to make use of good glass, you need to have the functionality that suits your shooting habits to fully realize it. This doesn't mean GO BUY A 1DsIII -- but the XS is handicapped in ISO range, AF, metering options, ease of use, durability... you get the point.

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My question to you aficionados is what should I do?

(1) Keep the 17-40L + current lineup and splurge on a 7D (maybe 60D)?
Can the 60D fulfill your needs? The 7D is absolutely the better option, but the absence of an IQ improvement boils it down to ergonomics and features. Do you need weather sealing? Mag body? 19-point AF? These are qustions only you can answer.

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(2) Repair the XS for $150 and buy some more glass
in which case:

(3) is the 17-40L worth replacing with a faster prime? 24L? or maybe 35L?
other lens options for some more range to my line-up 135L or 70-200 2.8L IS II

mind you I don't mind zooming with my feet if it means it's faster


24L II on a crop is... probably not as great as you think. Do you shoot at 24mm on your 17-40 often? That's a good indication of suitable focal length.

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I usually shoot landscape, cars, mostly people/events and the casual walk around. I wanna keep this a hobby so buying multiple setups are not going to be an option
EF-S 17-55 2.8 if you don't plan on going full frame anytime soon.

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Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Go try everything you listed in a store. That's a good step 1.
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by ohzer0 View Post
Alright so I've been saving some cash recently and I think it's time to upgrade the equipment.

Right now I shoot with an aged Rebel XS that has all sorts of problems:
- the pentaprism is internally dirty and crooked
- the shutter button is mushy (not in the good way)
- it's just too damn small for my hands even with the grip
- the noise performance is also poor (as you would expect) but in all honesty it gets the job done.

Now I know bodies are phased out and glass is everything so right now I am considering coughing up about $150 to get the Rebel overhauled and repaired then possibly replacing my 17-40L with something a little faster with say a 24LII or the 35L (Which would be the 50mm equiv on 1.6x).

the tl;dr

My question to you aficionados is what should I do?

(1) Keep the 17-40L + current lineup and splurge on a 7D (maybe 60D)?

(2) Repair the XS for $150 and buy some more glass
in which case:

(3) is the 17-40L worth replacing with a faster prime? 24L? or maybe 35L?
other lens options for some more range to my line-up 135L or 70-200 2.8L IS II

mind you I don't mind zooming with my feet if it means it's faster

I usually shoot landscape, cars, mostly people/events and the casual walk around. I wanna keep this a hobby so buying multiple setups are not going to be an option

Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated.
It might be time for a 7d
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post #5 of 27
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EF-S 17-55 2.8 if you don't plan on going full frame anytime soon.
But he already has a 24-70L. Other than that I agree with everything you say. No point getting a 24L II though, the 24L would suit fine on crop.
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But he already has a 24-70L.
I would sell it. Blasting that and the 17-40 to the sky brings in a really nice chunk of change.
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id get me a 7D and keep the 24-70 for that kind of use
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post #8 of 27
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Crooked pentaprism? WUT. I think a 7D would be good. REMEMBER TO USE CLP! You can sell the XS in its condition on ebay for about 150-200. Then you can get a 7D for 1150 after taxes. Then save up for a 24L since a 35L could easily be substituted by a Sigma 30 (which you might want to get).
Yeah the pentaprism that lines up the mirror with the focus point LEDs is crooked (I dropped it once very lightly on carpet so I dont know if that was necessarily the culprit) so the only the very bottom focus point is clearly lit I have to use my lcd screen while choosing FPs--otherwise it still works. The connection to the battery also seems to be acting up since sometime it refuses to wake up and I have take the battery out and put it back in.

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Actually, XS noise handling is not too bad. The size, however, is a problem if you're larger than a 10-year-old.

If you have money for a 24L II, what on earth are you doing with an XS? Glass is only half of the equation -- even though people preach constantly about glass before body, the reality is that to make use of good glass, you need to have the functionality that suits your shooting habits to fully realize it. This doesn't mean GO BUY A 1DsIII -- but the XS is handicapped in ISO range, AF, metering options, ease of use, durability... you get the point.

Can the 60D fulfill your needs? The 7D is absolutely the better option, but the absence of an IQ improvement boils it down to ergonomics and features. Do you need weather sealing? Mag body? 19-point AF? These are qustions only you can answer.

24L II on a crop is... probably not as great as you think. Do you shoot at 24mm on your 17-40 often? That's a good indication of suitable focal length.

EF-S 17-55 2.8 if you don't plan on going full frame anytime soon.

Go try everything you listed in a store. That's a good step 1.
The XS noise performance (for me anyway) is usable beyond ISO400--which isn't too terrible but that is also why I invested more in faster glass than upgrading my body. It just wasn't the priority at the time.

I've rented an abundance of glass suiting my particular needs and it usually ends up being for the longer focal lengths 70-300 and beyond. I can honestly say my primary focal length is between 17-85mm so I'd like to keep that as my own personal range. I love my 17-40--in fact I wouldn't even mind keeping AND using it in conjuction with either the 24L or 35L. The f/1.4 is what's getting me

I've used both the 60D and 7D and I love them both. The 7D has dual processors, faster FPS, weather sealed (magnesium body), and overall feels more balanced. The 60D is almost $600+ cheaper, has a the swivel screen (I could care less about video at the moment), and has a similar AF system IIRC comparable to the 7D. Both I feel have better noise performance even at ISO800.
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post #9 of 27
Maybe I can fix it... Get a Sigma 30 and a 7D.
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The XS noise performance (for me anyway) is usable beyond ISO400--which isn't too terrible but that is also why I invested more in faster glass than upgrading my body. It just wasn't the priority at the time.
I assume you meant unusable? I had no problem shooting ISO 1600 if I had to. I routinely shoot 3200 with my 50D. Noise is mostly unobtrusive, unless you're a pixel-peeper. 8x10 at 3200 aint no thang.

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I can honestly say my primary focal length is between 17-85mm so I'd like to keep that as my own personal range
The 17-55 is both faster and sharper than the 17-40, but lacks the excellent build and weather sealing. If those are of no importance to you, I would dump the 17-40 in the heartbeat.

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and has a similar AF system IIRC comparable to the 7D.
Nope, same 9-cross as the rest of the x0D bodies.

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Both I feel have better noise performance even at ISO800.
If you're having trouble at ISO 800, you need to re-evaluate... something. Photography isn't always just about clean images and orgasmic sharpness levels. The 60D and 7D share the same sensor (as do the T2i and T3i), FWIW.
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