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Haha. What planet are they living on?
You missed the part about "originally designed". Nvidia is only responsible for making sure no issues occur at their designed specifications. Anything above that through overclocking is not really their problem.
     
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You missed the part about "originally designed". Nvidia is only responsible for making sure no issues occur at their designed specifications. Anything above that through overclocking is not really their problem.
This is soooooooo true. Shame the youngins don't understand this. My biggest concern is that there is an underlying fault, like anyone would naturally be apprehensive about.
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But being on OCN and all, we kinda expect our Graphics cards to overclock without many issues. How can they put a 570 VRM design on a Dual 580 card?

Why didn't they use the 580 VRM design, or at least use better VRM's?

Let's face it, the 590 doesn't overclock as well as dare I say it? The 6990 under water.

I've kept up with the 590 Owner's club thread, and it doesn't seem like a fun card to overclock.
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But being on OCN and all, we kinda expect our Graphics cards to overclock without many issues. How can they put a 570 VRM design on a Dual 580 card?

Why didn't they use the 580 VRM design, or at least use better VRM's?

Let's face it, the 590 doesn't overclock as well as dare I say it? The 6990 under water.

I've kept up with the 590 Owner's club thread, and it doesn't seem like a fun card to overclock.
30% overclock is pretty good no? And it really isn't 570 VRMs, it is just weaker than a 580.
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Eh I guess I'll bite...PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair...

Just explaining...dont shoot the messenger plz.




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So... waiting for Kepler it is!


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You missed the part about "originally designed". Nvidia is only responsible for making sure no issues occur at their designed specifications. Anything above that through overclocking is not really their problem.
While I totally get your point, it's a pretty standard affair for manufacturers nowadays to leave some "overclocking headroom" for users on their GPUs, even as a safety precaution. Had this been, say 2007 I would agree with you, but considering this is such a high end card and 2011, I don't think they have an excuse to have cheapened out on VRMs (which cost a fraction of what the price of the GPUs they used on this card), which had they got right in the first place they wouldn't have been in this mess. Sort of like M$ and the cheap power bricks with their old 360s, their stupid attempt to cheapen out and save some pennies on manufacturing costs them dearly.
    
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30% overclock is pretty good no? And it really isn't 570 VRMs, it is just weaker than a 580.
oh - I didn't know you got it that high.

That's not bad at all. So I guess you got it up to 790? Is that under water?

I gotta catch up on the thread again.

But my point was that it doesn't seem to be an easy card to overclock as you really have to watch the voltages.

Like my 470 has the same stock clocks, and I can get the voltage to 1.087 and it will do 850 clocks, I can unlock the voltage further, and go higher under water. I've seen many go past 900.

Then again, I'm comparing Apples and Oranges.
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To be honest, both GTX590 and HD6990 were a bit failure and heres why (this is just my opinion).

GTX590
- You all know.

HD6990
- First thing first, this is a supreme card over all, great overclocker ect..
- Runs LOUD, this really isn't a reason to call this a failure but unless you get a great after market cooler or watercool it, it is way to loud imo.

If I was to get new card today I would get

Single card
- GTX580
- HD6950 and unlock it. I'm using 60Hz monitor so this would do the job for every game I play, GTX580 would be slightly more future proof.

SLI/CF
- GTX560
- HD6950 and unlock them.

But in the end I would always get ATI (yeah I still call them ATI and always will), in my opinion they have improved so much more over the past year and been at much better price/performance.

Hopefully I'm not offending anyone, but in the end this is just my opinion.
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I reckon they will just release a 'new' card - the gtx 595 ~ and go back to the gtx 295 roots - the greatest and fastest... also it will probably cost quite a bit
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oh - I didn't know you got it that high.

That's not bad at all. So I guess you got it up to 790? Is that under water?

I gotta catch up on the thread again.

But my point was that it doesn't seem to be an easy card to overclock as you really have to watch the voltages.

Like my 470 has the same stock clocks, and I can get the voltage to 1.087 and it will do 850 clocks, I can unlock the voltage further, and go higher under water. I've seen many go past 900.

Then again, I'm comparing Apples and Oranges.
Its under water yeah, 1.038v and 830 MHz, was stable enough for about 4 benchmarks of Unigine Heaven, it didn't crash, I just stopped running it.

The real pain in the butt is the driver level OCP / PDL which limits us to about 730 MHz @ 0.968~0.980v for serious benchmarks and games like Crysis / 3DMark11.
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Its under water yeah, 1.038v and 830 MHz, was stable enough for about 4 benchmarks of Unigine Heaven, it didn't crash, I just stopped running it.

The real pain in the butt is the driver level OCP / PDL which limits us to about 730 MHz @ 0.968~0.980v for serious benchmarks and games like Crysis / 3DMark11.
Cool, I'll be keeping an eye out on the refresh, hopefully they can remove those limits.
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