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Have Windows phones been implicated in any privacy concerns (or outright spying) like the iphone and android phones have been? I'm in the market for a new phone and privacy is a big concern for me. I don't trust google (android) or apple at all. I'm willing to get a windows phone simply because it is the lesser of three evils in regards to privacy violations. I'm not willing to sell my soul just to get access to a few extra shiny apps that I don't really need...

Am I correct in my assumption that windows phones are the best with privacy or have I simply just not heard about windows phone privacy scandals yet?

If you do know of any privacy concerns with windows phones could you please provide a link.
    
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Christ, serious paranoia or what? Where are you going that's so secret?

I don't care if Apple or Google know when I'm sitting at work, or at home or when I pop to the shops.
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Christ, serious paranoia or what? Where are you going that's so secret?

I don't care if Apple or Google know when I'm sitting at work, or at home or when I pop to the shops.
And that's what makes you and I different. I'm one of the small minority of people who actually gives a crap about their civil rights. I don't care if I have nothing to hide. The fact that I have nothing to hide does not give people the right to look.

Apathy FTL... By the time you people actually want to stand up for your rights they will have all but evaporated... But who cares as long as you have a billion apps to waste your time on right?

New article proving my point.

http://www.overclock.net/software-ne...onal-data.html
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And that's what makes you and I different. I'm one of the small minority of people who actually gives a crap about their civil rights. I don't care if I have nothing to hide. The fact that I have nothing to hide does not give people the right to look.

Apathy FTL... By the time you people actually want to stand up for your rights they will have all but evaporated... But who cares as long as you have a billion apps to waste your time on right?
I don't care about the apps, I use Galaxy S2 as a phone, occasionally watch a movie on it. And I just like Android.

And It's not the fact that I don't give a crap about my civil rights its just that I'm being realistic. There is no reason to worry. Realistically you're being monitored whether you like it or not. First example is, your ISP monitors everything you do whether you like it or not.

Just get something if you like it, obviously not if it did something completely terrible like sold your personal details away, but they don't, worst they did was keep a log of places you went, that was apparently only visable to you anyway. I wouldn't even care if they could view that information.

You've got to put things into perspective, most likely they could view that data, but Google and Apple does not give a rats ass about you on a personal level. They care about the whole. No one is spying on you.

Reminds me of when those people went mad when the Google Streetview van took photos of their houses as it went past for.. well streetview. It's like so bloody what? Anyone can go up to your house and see it, its not like before their house was viewable on streetview that it was shrouded in an invisable forcefield. Same way that anyone can see where you are in real life.

So yeah, find something you like the look of and get it. You only live once, get the stuff you want and have fun with it.

Or you can go cower in your closet with a tinfoil hat and your plastic cups on string and miss out on everything.
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Sorry, but I don't see how this has anything to do with streetview...

Logging and collecting personal information, passwords, location and movement history etc. is not the same as taking pictures of a city. This is spiraling off topic. I'm not debating about what google does. We all know they collect anything and everything they can about you.

And once again I love it how google is defended not because what they do is Ok, but because I simply shouldn't care... Brilliant... See, the phone is shiny and fast. Who cares about privacy...

I'M ASKING ABOUT WINDOWS PHONES! Do they do the same thing? Has anybody heard about similar invasions of privacy from windows phones?
    
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Sorry, but I don't see how this has anything to do with streetview...

Logging and collecting personal information, passwords, location and movement history etc. is not the same as taking pictures of a city. This is spiraling off topic. I'm not debating about what google does. We all know they collect anything and everything they can about you.

And once again I love it how google is defended not because what they do is Ok, but because I simply shouldn't care... Brilliant... See, the phone is shiny and fast. Who cares about privacy...

I'M ASKING ABOUT WINDOWS PHONES! Do they do the same thing? Has anybody heard about similar invasions of privacy from windows phones?
The Streetview was merely an example.

Also, Google doesn't collect that information, the uproar was due to a log being stored on your own phone (that isn't collectable) of the locations you've been. You can clear the log yourself easy enough. Google specifically says they'll never collect any personal information from you or your devices in their terms, so if they did. You could sue them.

But about the windows phones. They have GPS, so in all honesty, yes they probably would store a cache of where you've been, just no ones moaned about it yet. Atleast I've never heard of any stories involving windows mobile. Probably due to the comparitively tiny userbase.

Seriously man. Just get whatever you like the best.

*EDIT* if the whole idea of potentially being tracked scares you, just turn the GPS off and don't use it/uninstall the GPS app.
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For what it's worth, Android, iPhone, and WP7 all use location storing/tracking for apps. Android has an opt in, not sure about iOS and WP7. I'm sure both do to.

The reason iOS recently had the big concern is they stored it in huge amounts and unencrypted. Android and WP7 do not. However, whenever iOS has a problem, people want to make sure all the competitors do to. Right now, that means android has to be lambasted for making the same "mistake" even if they do it with an opt in, security, and a small amount of time. However, like I said, iOS now does the same thing. I'll repeat, all smart phones do the same thing in this. In fact, dumbphones are tracked by the carriers for tower transfers and such. If you really are concerned about this, you probably don't want a phone at all.

Finally, the "tracking" that is being done isn't just to track you. It's for apps that use it. If you don't use them, don't opt in to location data. That will at least keep most tracking things off. No way to turn them all off without doing without a phone completely.
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For what it's worth, Android, iPhone, and WP7 all use location storing/tracking for apps. Android has an opt in, not sure about iOS and WP7. I'm sure both do to.

The reason iOS recently had the big concern is they stored it in huge amounts and unencrypted. Android and WP7 do not. However, whenever iOS has a problem, people want to make sure all the competitors do to. Right now, that means android has to be lambasted for making the same "mistake" even if they do it with an opt in, security, and a small amount of time. However, like I said, iOS now does the same thing. I'll repeat, all smart phones do the same thing in this. In fact, dumbphones are tracked by the carriers for tower transfers and such. If you really are concerned about this, you probably don't want a phone at all.

Finally, the "tracking" that is being done isn't just to track you. It's for apps that use it. If you don't use them, don't opt in to location data. That will at least keep most tracking things off. No way to turn them all off without doing without a phone completely.
I know that all phones are tracked as far as cell phone towers. How could a wireless connection not be made through a specific tower? However, this is only a general location and not a GPS pinpoint.

I appreciate the input. I've just been hearing lots of bad things about Android and Apple in the news and had been thinking that the media was surprisingly silent about Windows phones.
    
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I know that all phones are tracked as far as cell phone towers. How could a wireless connection not be made through a specific tower? However, this is only a general location and not a GPS pinpoint.

I appreciate the input. I've just been hearing lots of bad things about Android and Apple in the news and had been thinking that the media was surprisingly silent about Windows phones.
They've done there job. Misinformed another consumer.

As far as I know, Android phones might cache some information about what your doing, but it never LEAVES the cell phone. Google doesn't find out about anything, just stays on your phone. Just be sure to read everything you accept in agreements on installing apps and such. I'm assuming this is the same for Apple.
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Epitope, I opened a similar thread about Android phones and got a similar reaction from folks around here.

Privacy is a big deal for some and I personally don't want my information aggregated by a company like Google who's infamous for not keeping private information that way or unnecessarily gathering PII.

To answer your question, here is Microsoft's privacy policy:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphon...y-privacy.aspx

Basically, they only grab your location when you explicitly give an application permission to do so and they never store it on the phone. They do not collect any packets sent over a wi-fi connection. And they haven't been implicated in any privacy breaches or slip ups like Apple and Google have.

Keep in mind that any mobile phone can be traced to some extent so using a cell phone implies that you're giving up a small amount of privacy. But there's no excuse for companies to aggregate information about you just cause they want to.
     
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