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Hmmm... I read the entire linked thread and this is what I gathered:

Tcase refers to the central point on the processor to ensure the most reliable temperature reading. In this case it would be read as the core temp.

Tjunction is the socket temperature and is about 10C off of the core temp due to calculations AMD uses to determine reliable temperatures when they are critical to monitor.

The way the calculation works, this is why the core hits sub ambient when not under load. It doesn't mean the core is less reliable, it's sensor is made to be dependent upon high temperatures and ignored at low temperatures. The core should be used as a reliable source of temperatures since the tcase sensor becomes accurate at 45C.

The thread concludes with that the core temp should not exceed 62C, and that socket CPU temps can go higher. AMD states that their tcase rating of 62C max refers to the center of the chip which can be translated to the core temp. Tjunction is a seperate rating which is the socket or cpu temp which is about 10C off of the core.

Therefore, the core is the tcase, AMD rates the max temp of 62C on the tcase, so monitor your core temp and keep it below 62C, preferrably 55C to keep it 100% safe and stable at all times and to allow for a margin of error.
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incorrect. All phenom ii are maxed at 62c. And thats socket temp,not core temp.

This is not like your intel,this is amd.
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socket and core temps are different. The stated max. Safe core temp by amd is 62c. People running higher than that are not 100% stable and are damaging their processor. Socket temps can go much higher, mine sit right under 70c when i'm in prime95.

@ sandman: Wow, if it passes that it can pass anything.

Oh and whoever asked, yes, intel burn test works on amd processors just fine, its not brand leniant at all.
Isn't socket temp always lower than core temp? Measuring further away from the physical silicon will (should?) yield a lower temperature, yes?

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concerning your question regarding the temperatures with your processor. (1090) the maximum temperature threshold is 62 celsius which set for the internal die (core) temperature of the chip. The core temperatures have an equational offset to determine temperature which equalizes at about 45 celsius thus giving you more accurate readings at peak temperatures. The hindrance in this is the sub ambient idle temperature readings you speak of.

the silicon and adhesives used in manufacturing these processors has a peak temperature rating of 97+ celsius before any form of degradation will take place. The processor also has a thermal shut off safe guard in place that shuts the processor down at 90 celsius.

the cpu temperature is read form a sensor embedded within the socket of your motherboard causing about a 7-10 celsius variance form the actual cpu temperature, which may be what you are reading about on the net.

You can use an application called amd overdrive, that will allow you to monitor your temperatures accurately.

As long as your core temperature has not exceeded the high side of the 60 degree mark for extended periods of time you should be ok. 62 degrees holds a generous safety net to begin with.

I hope i was able to answer your questions, if you have any more inquiries don't hesitate to contact us.

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safety net? More like thats there thing to makes sure that there cpu's will last at least 6 years ++
ok, the datum for "degrees" is not where I was assuming it was, that changes things alot. IIRC, intel does (or did) something similar by reporting temperature as a distance to danger, or distance to design threshold in their software on intel boards.
 
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My core temp (tcase) is always lower than my cpu temp (tjunction).

I think it has to do with how the heatsinks work more than how much voltage is going through the tjunction or tcase, but I could be wrong. I would think that the core would be hotter but I guess the heatsink cools it down more, while the socket cpu temp is allowed to increase and stay safe. I really do not understand the descrepency in temperatures but it has to do with the way AMD calculates things and regardless, core is the temperature to worry the most about since it is AMD's rated tcase max of 62C.
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Hmmm... I read the entire linked thread and this is what I gathered:

Tcase refers to the central point on the processor to ensure the most reliable temperature reading. In this case it would be read as the core temp.

Tjunction is the socket temperature and is about 10C off of the core temp due to calculations AMD uses to determine reliable temperatures when they are critical to monitor.

The way the calculation works, this is why the core hits sub ambient when not under load. It doesn't mean the core is less reliable, it's sensor is made to be dependent upon high temperatures and ignored at low temperatures. The core should be used as a reliable source of temperatures since the tcase sensor becomes accurate at 45C.

The thread concludes with that the core temp should not exceed 62C, and that socket CPU temps can go higher. AMD states that their tcase rating of 62C max refers to the center of the chip which can be translated to the core temp. Tjunction is a seperate rating which is the socket or cpu temp which is about 10C off of the core.

Therefore, the core is the tcase, AMD rates the max temp of 62C on the tcase, so monitor your core temp and keep it below 62C, preferrably 55C to keep it 100% safe and stable at all times and to allow for a margin of error.
incorrect,Tcase is socket temp.
just google tcase,i have too many links to be bothered

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...temps-dts.html

thats one from here,tho intel mean the IHS,AMD mean the socket

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24711431-
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OK, I'm cleared up on what temps we're talking about now. Sometimes I can be a bit slow on the uptake.
 
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Hmm... I googled Tcase AMD Thuban and came up with the tcase being the reference to the direct middle of the processor.

This is quite confusing, too much conflicting information. ^-^

That Intel link you have once again says core is higher than socket but all the screenshots I have seen of Thubans show otherwise. This is weird and I doubt it will be solved in this thread.
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Hmm... I googled Tcase AMD Thuban and came up with the tcase being the reference to the direct middle of the processor.

This is quite confusing, too much conflicting information. ^-^

That Intel link you have once again says core is higher than socket but all the screenshots I have seen of Thubans show otherwise. This is weird and I doubt it will be solved in this thread.
look at the second link.
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Let's not give wrong information here guys, please.

The maximum temperature recommended by AMD for the Phenom II chips is 62ºC.

I would try to keep it under 58ºC at all times, it's been proven that anything above +56ºC may cause OC instability.

Also keep in mind the following;

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Second link clarifies much better, thanks.

Still doesn't make sense how the tcase he says is set as a max below tjunction and that tjunction temps run higher than tcase, when my monitoring shows the core lower than the socket temps. I'm either still confused or my processor is not reporting the correct information.

+ repped
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