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Originally Posted by Paradox me;13540257 
If film is considered art then so should video games. Especially now that games and film have so much in common. The argument is that while games are comprised of various forms of art, they can never be art themselves, but isn't that what film is/has always been?

Writers pen the script, actors portray the roles, composers and musicians create the score, wardrobe supplies the costumes, props create the sets and a plethora of positions edit the film and add CGI effects.
Video games have all of these elements in one form or another. I'd argue that some games even thrust players into some of these roles, and interactivity does not undo the state of being art in my humble opinion.

Exactly
I see games a collab of fine arts. While many do not see eye to eye on x game to y game is art, but that is determine by personal taste and is a art by itself.

Also slightly off-topic:
There are many people in the US government working on different areas, just like that crazy guy who was trying to ban video games, can't blame the entire sturcture just because of one small legislate group or lobbyist.
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I don't see games as are but that is because I always felt are exists only for itself. That's not what a game is. There are art forms in it, but the sum of its parts does not add up to me. I have a pretty strict definition of what I consider "Art" to be I'll admit.

BUT I wont tell anyone else what to think. If they feel it is then sure. If the government wants to fund it then... um... what will the end result be? I'm curious what games will come out of it.
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The Federal government funds all sorts of things.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb111/hb111-26.pdf

This is called corporate welfare
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Crysis 1 = Art
 
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By that definition the poem Flanders fields isn't art.

Art isn't selective. It's either all art or nothing is.

Unfortunately that means you get some crap mixed in with the good, but thats just like everything else.
Edited by voice - 5/17/11 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by Singular1ty;13539904 
If movie making can be considered art, and books can be considered art. Then certainly a video game should be.

But seriously, the government has got better things to do then this.

Because the world of video games has counterparts to filmmakers like Fellini, Kubrick and Bergman, and authors like Hemingway, Dostoevsky, and Tolstoy?

I can think video games can be artistic expressions, but 99% of the market is kitsch, especially when it comes to games that make money.
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Originally Posted by Tempest001;13539921 
nothing wrong with more money. They don't get funding to do things how the government wants it done. They get funding based on whether the government decides if their game could be considered art or not. A game like the witcher 2 would get funding, be the same exact game it is today and maybe be cheaper or have much better optimizations. Maybe uber sampling wouldn't require 2 gtx580s to run smoothly.



The government isn't just one person running everything. It's a huge tree with many, many many branches. The government is in a lot of places that you might not even realize. Just because theres a war going on or japan is in ruin doesn't mean that the group of people who were hired to make decisions like this should just take the next couple of years off.

I agree with this completely. Every time the government does that could be remotely seen as frivolous (which this is not), I always see people write comments like, "Why is the government wasting their time on video games? They should be doing something about the war!"

The government is not one person with a one track mind. It controls a lot of things. So just because the government cares about video games doesn't mean it isn't managing the war or not doing something about poverty.
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Originally Posted by voice;13542133 
By that definition the poem Flanders fields isn't art.

Art isn't selective. It's either all art or nothing is.

Unfortunately that means you get some crap mixed in with the good, but thats just like everything else.

Umm no ...

I didnt define anything. I gave an example of art and an example of what is not art. If you are going to argue that a COD game could ever be art, then your definition of art is too broad and accepting. If you argue that COD is art then you could argue that anything is art and to a (lesser) degree you would be right, but in the world of rational thought, its not all or none. People can tell the difference between art and general entertainment, though art can obviously entertain, not all that entertains is art.

Just because COD and Flanders Feild both have to do with war/battle, that in no way means that one can not be art while the other is not. Your reasoning is no reasoning at all.

PS, I am not trying to start a debate on what games are art and what are not, I am simply pointing out that this person is using very poor reasoning.
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Originally Posted by Singular1ty;13539904 
If movie making can be considered art, and books can be considered art. Then certainly a video game should be.

But seriously, the government has got better things to do then this.

we shall call it "interactive art" biggrin.gif
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