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Art is in the eye of the beholder; it's all perspective, all subjective.

What is an irrelevance to you may have profound impact on another.

Personally, I don't judge, make everything art for all I care. I still don't want to pay for most of it.
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Games are not art, at least not any game backed by a major publisher. Games are created for pure profit, that is not art. Art is uninhibited by monetary gain, it is about pure expression of the imagination. The greatest artists that ever lived did it for the love of art, not profit.

Wow, I sound like a total douche, GTA IV ftw!!
Not true. Many artists were commissioned by aristocrats to make statues, paintings, murals, music, etc. Guys like Mozart were paid to create musical pieces for nobles.

Just because artists get paid for their work, it does not lessen the art. I feel bad for artists who starve to death their whole lives just so billionaires can make money off their work once they die.
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Here's the question I want answered:

Yes, governmental funding will remove roadblocks and make it easier for a small business to make them, but why should my tax money be spent on it? It's not the governments responsibility to hold the hand of up and coming businesses with grants.
Answer: It isn't.

We aren't talking about businesses, large or small. In order to get a grant, you have to be a non-profit organization, governmental organization (federal, state or local), or federally recognized tribal community. So while Fred programmer and Wendy art director are going to get paid for their work, there's no Bobby Kotick pulling outrageous sums of money to talk trash about competition and no shareholders to soak up funds that could be going back into making more and better (or at least different) games.

And in any case, your taxes have been paying for stuff like this probably since you started paying taxes. It's not like the organization is new; they're just newly allowing grants for video games. What it comes down to is that cultural development is important, even if it doesn't seem as pressing as defense, education and social welfare. And it is becoming increasingly apparent that capitalism is a poor vehicle for cultural development, as any corporation's end goal is to shut doors and eliminate all options save for the ones it wants you to take.

And that is why we need a program like this. It's the closest thing we have to the old patronage system that spawned so much art during the Renaissance. No one (well no one that's reasonable) would balk at government funded scientific research grants. Why is it so inconceivable that they would support the arts as well?
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acting like the recession never happened.
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So theres a new manhunt game coming out? Manhunt is art.
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Not true. Many artists were commissioned by aristocrats to make statues, paintings, murals, music, etc. Guys like Mozart were paid to create musical pieces for nobles.

Just because artists get paid for their work, it does not lessen the art. I feel bad for artists who starve to death their whole lives just so billionaires can make money off their work once they die.
Of course they got paid for their work back then as they do now, but we are talking about multi million dollar companies churning out video games, that does not constitute as art in any way, shape , or form. We are not going to go to an art museum to see a screenshot of Crysis next to the Mona Lisa, it's just not art.
I guess "my " interpretation of art is miscued, as I believe art to be something that was intended to be beautiful and thought provoking. I get that games do provide stimuli as well, but to me it's just computer generated graphics, I've never once ever considered games as a form of art.
That's just my silly opinion though.
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Answer: It isn't.

We aren't talking about businesses, large or small. In order to get a grant, you have to be a non-profit organization, governmental organization (federal, state or local), or federally recognized tribal community. So while Fred programmer and Wendy art director are going to get paid for their work, there's no Bobby Kotick pulling outrageous sums of money to talk trash about competition and no shareholders to soak up funds that could be going back into making more and better (or at least different) games.

And in any case, your taxes have been paying for stuff like this probably since you started paying taxes. It's not like the organization is new; they're just newly allowing grants for video games. What it comes down to is that cultural development is important, even if it doesn't seem as pressing as defense, education and social welfare. And it is becoming increasingly apparent that capitalism is a poor vehicle for cultural development, as any corporation's end goal is to shut doors and eliminate all options save for the ones it wants you to take.

And that is why we need a program like this. It's the closest thing we have to the old patronage system that spawned so much art during the Renaissance. No one (well no one that's reasonable) would balk at government funded scientific research grants. Why is it so inconceivable that they would support the arts as well?
I see.

In that case, I retract my initial statement. I've never really been much of an art person, but I see what you're getting at and I can agree whole heartedly. Now, if only the Gov't would stop spending so much on 'defense' and spend more in education...
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