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But what's the point of these fancy versions of old cards when new, much faster cards are coming out? As a consumer, I really don't care how much R&D you guys put into the card or how many features that are of no value to me it has. I care only that it has good real world performance (ie. actual games), good price/performance ratio, and is quiet.

When I see cards like the "[blah blah] Super Overclock XXXXtreme Thor's Hammer Vin Diesel Edition", all I really see is "Marketing Gimmicks Edition", and when it comes this late in the game, all I REALLY see is "Will Never Buy It Edition".

As a side note, I'm disgusted in general with the marketing tactics used more and more by hardware companies these days. It's mostly fluff. There are $150-200 motherboards that are just as good at OC'ing as $400+ ones, there are $300 CPU's that are almost as good as $1000+, etc. I know this is nothing new to many ppl, but clearly companies are still managing to sucker ppl into buying their shiny beads, or else these dumb XTREME edition products wouldn't be coming out.

PS. Military class marketing is a total friggin joke. Seems some companies don't have any shame left.

Since you're ranting, I invite you to provide 3 good names for a graphics card, that does not sound horrible, nor does it sound generic.

When you are done with it, let me know.

Sorry, the non-Intel board manufacturers don't have the Intel name to back their products up, so they have to differentiate.

Everyone sells a $25k mid-size family sedan, why buy one over another? They're all cars.

By your analogy, a $25k car from any car company will suit your needs. No need for the marketing BS.

What's the point? OK, we'll all stop making GPUs and video cards until HD7000 series or GTX600 series comes out. While we're at it, we'll also shut our doors and go on vacay for 6 months.

(as for your other posts, I won't even bother responding since you seem to know all the answers, including when HD7000 is coming out)
Edited by MSIalex - 5/30/11 at 1:28am
    
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I don't want to seem like I'm supporting Baron's ideas but I liked the idea of thinking up some gpu names so here we go.

Pixel Cruncher!

Transistor Inferno!

Enough to power a small village edition!

PATENT PENDING!
I will await my royalty check...
Edited by juano - 5/30/11 at 8:10am
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http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...ng-xtreme.html


So Basically after reading, im quite dissapointed..

I really hope this card doesnt cost much more than the 1.5gb lightning

-The card actually benches a small neglible amount worse in most benchmarks due to the increaded latency of the larger Memmory chips

-It runs hotter

-There was a slight performace increase in the High res, max AA situations, but the actual gpu core became a limit


MSI - Alex Why should I pay more for this card? I dont see its point, if its performace advantage is not much in high res situations and it actually benches worse due to increade memmory latency?
Edited by Bigo1087 - 5/30/11 at 7:57am
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I highly doubt ATI's next gen is 6 months off
What you choose to "highly doubt" and what is actually reality are two different things. AMD is also releasing their next gen 128bit(mid) mobile GPUs in Q4 along with their 256bit(high) mobile GPUs Q1 2012. You have just as much opportunity as anyone else to view their public roadmaps.


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military spec is bull****
you don't need military spec for a motherboard or videocard. It's the same crap phone companies try and pull when they release 810F/G phones, like people actually need that kind of durability.
You may not need mil spec, but that doesn't mean others don't. For extreme overclockers, component reliability is a must.

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the fact that anybody believes MSI's products are on the same level as military parts is laughable. The military is in a whole different league. All of this stuff is pure gimmicks. It's sand thrown into the eyes of consumers who just don't know any better.
You're confusing MSI's marketing with some other companies. They don't just slap on "military certified" on their boxes like some other companies do. Not all their products are mil certified either. This is a non-reference MSI R&D PCB, not designed by Nvidia. See:
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As for the military class marketing campaign, in 2011 we will have our boards tested to the Mil-spec guidelines at an approved lab. We will not have the military certify it, however we will have the board run through the same test procedures that the U.S. military requires, so it won't be "pure marketing BS".



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http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...ng-xtreme.html


-The card actually benches a small neglible amount worse in most benchmarks due to the increaded latency of the larger Memmory chips

-It runs hotter
How would you know if it benchmarks worse? There aren't enough HWBot LN2/DICE results posted yet... One review site that barely even tried to OC it on air isn't the definitive answer on OCing. 1C difference is within the margin of error as are all the ~1 fps differences between tests that don't even use 1.5GB VRAM to begin with.

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-There was a slight performace increase in the High res, max AA situations
That's exactly what this card is for. The card isn't for people playing on 1080P monitors. If you're using 3x30" for example, you'll need at least 3GB.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 5/30/11 at 9:52am
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At least it has a nice cooler and 3GB is nice, though the blue fan looks weird and I'm not digging it.
    
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http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...ng-xtreme.html


So Basically after reading, im quite dissapointed..

I really hope this card doesnt cost much more than the 1.5gb lightning

-The card actually benches a small neglible amount worse in most benchmarks due to the increaded latency of the larger Memmory chips

-It runs hotter

-There was a slight performace increase in the High res, max AA situations, but the actual gpu core became a limit


MSI - Alex Why should I pay more for this card? I dont see its point, if its performace advantage is not much in high res situations and it actually benches worse due to increade memmory latency?
the fact that you question the reasoning and justification for this card, means you're not the intended buyer(s).

People that would want this card want:
- high resolution, multi-monitor gaming on NVIDIA GPU
- two slot 3GB solution for above point
- would not need to justify spending more money than vanilla 580 Lightning
- would see WHY memory latency happens and be okay with it

Beyond that, if this card isn't for you, it isn't for you.... MSI isn't out to redo the semiconductor industry, and there's just some inherent limitations that can't be overcome without NVIDIA or AMD's help.

Ultimately it's about what card and what solution works with YOUR setup, not what "works". I can tell you right now, 3GB isn't for everyone, but for those that can use the extra memory (and can live with a small 2-3% hit in performance over a 1.5GB card), this is worth every penny.
    
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Love MSI for continuing to provide what we ask for.All the talk about the 580 was it's an awesome card,but limited in VRAM vs the Radeons in SLi.MSI stepped-up and delivered what this GPU platform really needs,because we all know we "demand" the best performance possible.You don't need it,don't buy it,but now we have the option.Well done MSI!
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Can I just ask that for the next lightning you can make the sli fingers taller then the shroud so that I can use my pcb sli bridge on it.

Edit: that review is stupid, an i5 750 on an intel board? My i5 bottlenecks one overclocked 570. This is why we don't trust Canadians.
Edited by GIPrice - 5/30/11 at 11:54am
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the fact that you question the reasoning and justification for this card, means you're not the intended buyer(s).

People that would want this card want:
- high resolution, multi-monitor gaming on NVIDIA GPU
- two slot 3GB solution for above point
- would not need to justify spending more money than vanilla 580 Lightning
- would see WHY memory latency happens and be okay with it

Beyond that, if this card isn't for you, it isn't for you.... MSI isn't out to redo the semiconductor industry, and there's just some inherent limitations that can't be overcome without NVIDIA or AMD's help.

Ultimately it's about what card and what solution works with YOUR setup, not what "works". I can tell you right now, 3GB isn't for everyone, but for those that can use the extra memory (and can live with a small 2-3% hit in performance over a 1.5GB card), this is worth every penny.
I was basically going to say the same thing but you beat me to it. This card isn't for benching at 1080p. It's for being able to deal with giant resolutions that demand a large chunk of VRAM to keep up.
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