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To be honest, I would go with the system with the Pentium D. Windows XP or Linux can run just fine on it with 2GB of RAM. If you get the system with the Pentium 4, you've got a system with more theoretical upgrade-ability, but you're not sure if it'll in fact take a Core 2 Duo, not to mention you could also get a cheap AGP card instead of a PCI-E one for the Pentium D system. Pentium 4 system is more expensive and wouldn't really run well. An OS will run better on a Pentium D system with 2GB of RAM rather than a Pentium 4 with 4GB of RAM. With the Pentium 4, you're looking at Atom performance (which is to say, almost none). 2GB of RAM is more than enough for most users as long as the rest of the platform can keep up.
    
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What slot does the 520 have then? AGP? If so which version? If it's 8X (AGP 3.0) you might still be able to get a decent GPU for it, but from what you've said if it's too much hassle for you just get the 620 then with a low end, low power GPU.
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Wow.... I couldnt read the whole thread, the lack of old intel knowledge was killing me.

I would definitely get the Pentium D. You dont need a PCIE card for an HTPC, they make HD4k cards in AGP format which is more than enough for an HTPC.

As for the Pentium 4s, HERE are the options on what it is, whereas THIS is the Pentium D. Faster chip in the end, more cache, better tech, better features, and it runs cooler. Pentium D and video card is the way to go.
See above, you need to change your tradition of not reading the thread BEFORE you post and not after. And he never said what slot that mobo has, it could have nothing but PCI slots which would make it useless for movie watching. My Athlon gets about 80-90% CPU usage playing a DVD on its own without a GPU, WITH the one in my sig I get 15% CPU usage playing a 1080p Blu-ray rip. See the difference? CPU power on an old PC is worthless without a decent GPU backing it.

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Aren't we just jacking up the price now? He needs a pc just for a few weeks and won't be doing anything resource intensive. Its quite possible the 300W psu could run the 8800 GS just fine. The worst that could happen is the system will shut down because of too much power draw.

Imo there is no point in spending money upgrading an old system unless you are really going to make use of it.
No, there is a point. Spending an extra £25 or so quid on a decent power supply to make use of some spare parts is worth it instead of cheapening out and having a no-name PSU blow up in your face taking out the whole PC with it, and having the OP need to buy another cheapo PC throwing away another £80 or so. And he said his GF was going to be using it for movie watching/web browsing, how is that not considered "making use of it"? Since that is an old OEM PC it'll have a crap PSU in it, chances are it has very little to no protection.
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Don't go into the purchase of a Dell pre built from this era with any kind of upgrade on your mind. Evaluate the rigs as they sit now.
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Windows 7 runs fine on a Pentium D/Pentium 4... and that was with 1gb of RAM too and an SSD. Was fine for browsing the web. (and the P4, was a socket 478 P4, so there!)
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No, there is a point. Spending an extra £25 or so quid on a decent power supply to make use of some spare parts is worth it instead of cheapening out and having a no-name PSU blow up in your face taking out the whole PC with it, and having the OP need to buy another cheapo PC throwing away another £80 or so.
I saw that coming
I know what you're saying but then one always have to weigh the risk and price.
The chance of a psu actually blowing up and taking out the whole PC are very slim. If you're going to use a cheapo pc for just a few weeks, I think its OK to go with a cheapo psu.
Once you add a quality psu, the pc ain't "cheapo" anymore. When he's done with the pc he won't have any use of that psu with the new rig unless he plans on building another htpc or something.

Also, the cpus should run videos fine, as long as you are just runing videos..

Basically, buying something to upgrade a old dell prebuilt is not a good idea me thinks.
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I saw that coming
I know what you're saying but then one always have to weigh the risk and price.
The chance of a psu actually blowing up and taking out the whole PC are very slim. If you're going to use a cheapo pc for just a few weeks, I think its OK to go with a cheapo psu.
Once you add a quality psu, the pc ain't "cheapo" anymore. When he's done with the pc he won't have any use of that psu with the new rig unless he plans on building another htpc or something.

Basically, buying something to upgrade a old dell prebuilt is not a good idea me thinks.
He didn't say how long he was planning on using it for, and it's all down to what his GF wants and if the PC is good enough to do it. If his girlfriend is one of those who goes on a PC like once a week just to go on some social networking sites or something and watch some Youtube, that P4 is more than adequate for that and will last her at least a few years. If he plans on getting her into PC gaming then I agree there is little to no point, it's all down to the OP now, since he stopped commenting I'm just warning him of what could happen, as I've had it happen to another ancient PC of mine.
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See above, you need to change your tradition of not reading the thread BEFORE you post and not after. And he never said what slot that mobo has, it could have nothing but PCI slots which would make it useless for movie watching. My Athlon gets about 80-90% CPU usage playing a DVD on its own without a GPU, WITH the one in my sig I get 15% CPU usage playing a 1080p Blu-ray rip. See the difference? CPU power on an old PC is worthless without a decent GPU backing it.
Hmm he didnt say did he? Maybe you shoudl follow your own advice and read above....
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I just checked the Mobo specs of them both.

The 520 only supports 2GB of RAM, the 620 supports 4GB and the 620 has a PCI-E slot... I've a few sticks of DDR2 in my drawer so I could ge tthe 620 and upgrade it to 4gb and stick w7 on it.

Argh, decisions.
That being said, and from my own knowledge of working both systems for the last 4 years, He'd be better of between the two chips with the Pentium D.
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=.= doublepost.
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Hmm he didnt say did he? Maybe you shoudl follow your own advice and read above....

That being said, and
Because he's being inconsistent in explaining what exactly he wants from it. First he said he wants it for web browsing and video watching only "She only uses it for web browsing and streaming TV on anyway, doesn't need to be a gaming rig", now he's saying "so she can play Empire Earth lol" he wants to play games on it, what he does with it is up to him now.

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from my own knowledge of working both systems for the last 4 years, He'd be better of between the two chips with the Pentium D.
ORly? No $#!7, Sherlock, your knowledge tells you two is higher than one? You deserve a medal for that...

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Side note : Am*, how's that 3200+ holding up for you? I had the same processor with a 4850X2 and was having serious bottleneck issues. I could only OC it upto 3.5ghz on stock though.
Runs fine. CPU bottlenecking doesn't matter since I now force supersampling AA on top of in game MSAA, gives the card enough of a workout. The lack of VRAM does get to me sometimes though, a lot of games I got (even though DX9 and at my somewhat lower resolution) come like 2-3 megabytes away from using all the VRAM lol.
    
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Get the D620 if I'm not too late for this. You can put a Q6600 on this box and install windows 7. I'm sure we still got some of these chips being sold in our classifieds.
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