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My FoW run is underway! Hopefully finish without incident!

EDIT: Run complete. Took much longer than I expected (girlfriend came over for a nice 2 hour visit). Now time to go through the pictures and write the guide!
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makes sense, but try and swap where you can like for like, or better still look at how the build is constructed and work out why it works and how it is meant to work. and then work out your own builds based around that principle.

once you figure out how to spot the strengths, weaknesses and synergies of certain team builds have you will find guild wars becomes allot easier and you'll enjoy the game allot more

Take a very common popular build i will use sabway as an example.
At the most basic level:
nec1: minion bomber, acts as a meat shield
nec2: SS nec counters melee damage with SS weakness etc also buffs
nec3: pressure healer with infinite mana thanks to nec1's minions.

so we all know this build is very strong in many situations. so we want to look at that and say right so what makes this build so good:

The minions soak up allot of damage while dealing allot back in form of bleeds, nova and putrid flesh.
the SS nec nutralises physical dps by spreading weakness and reducing hit chance.
and the restro nec has limitless mana thanks to soul reaping.

meaning this build will be stronge vs large groups of weak enemies, particularly physical.

when is it weak:
reliant on minions to tank and for mana so any area where there are no/few exploitable corpses.
Areas where enemy necs can steal your army.
areas where mobs have very high area of effect dmg so all your minions die too fast.

Can i deal with that if so how?
useing different minion skills like aura of the liche can give you an army where there are no bodies.
steal it right back
if this type of monster is prevelent in the area consider swapping out for some interupts.

{disclaimer}
The above is by no means exhaustive and completly ignores the fact you now have 7 fully customisable heros, but i hope you can see what i mean about looking at the build and how it interacts with your environment and seeing how best to deal with those situations.
That's the big reason I want to get Prophesies. Unfortunately I can't use Spiteful Spirit which sucks because it works so well. Right now I have two interrupt mesmers. Here is my build so far so if you have any recommendations they would be greatly appreciated but remember no Prophesies skills:

Me:
Smoldering embers
Fireball
Breath of Fire
Glowing Gaze
Searing Flames
Liquid Flame
Fire Attunement
Aura of Restoration

Livia:
Blood is Power
Weapon of Warding
Protective Was Kaolai
Well of Blood
Vengeful Weapon
Spirit Light
Signet of Lost Souls
Flesh of My Flesh

Norgu:
Tease
Wastrel's Demise
Empathy
Backfire
Mistrust
Cry Of Frustration
Waste not, Want Not
Power Drain

Gwen:
Energy Surge
Signet Of Clumsiness
Unnatural Signet
Signet of Disruption
Signet of Distraction
Energy Burn
Mantra of Inscriptions
Symbolic Celerity

Acolyte Sousuke:
Signet of Spirits
Spirit Rift
Painful Bond
Anguish
Shadowsong
Pain
Bloodsong
Glyph of Lesser Energy

Xandra:
Boon of Creation
Spirit's Gift
Soul Twisting
Armor of Unfeeling
Union
Shelter
Displacement
Flesh of My Flesh

Razah:
Boon of Creation
Spirit's Gift
Ritual Lord
Spirit Light
Recovery
Recuperation
Rejuvenation
Flesh of My Flesh

Zhed Shadowhoof: (same as me)
Smoldering embers
Fireball
Breath of Fire
Glowing Gaze
Searing Flames
Liquid Flame
Fire Attunement
Aura of Restoration
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Imma try to update my hero party to two mesmers and see how that goes today. Then prolly see if I can do a NM run of FoW. Need to do some skill hunting first tho lol. All that SS/LB farming got my monies back in line lol.
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Imma try to update my hero party to two mesmers and see how that goes today. Then prolly see if I can do a NM run of FoW. Need to do some skill hunting first tho lol. All that SS/LB farming got my monies back in line lol.
Yea I knocked those out a few years ago when I first started playing. I'm hoping they do some EotN points soon. I'm at lvl 9 delver, lvl 8 norn, lvl 5 agent. Delver is easy to get thanks to the snowman dungeon and norn is a little harder but still can be done through vaettir farming. I still need to find an agent farm.
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Yea I knocked those out a few years ago when I first started playing. I'm hoping they do some EotN points soon. I'm at lvl 9 delver, lvl 8 norn, lvl 5 agent. Delver is easy to get thanks to the snowman dungeon and norn is a little harder but still can be done through vaettir farming. I still need to find an agent farm.
Agent is by far the hardest, there is no nice farm. I got to 8 from doing speed books when you could sac yourself and run heros. From there it was vanquishing. Boring but most effective.

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ahh count me in this group, steamid: 'ryanbridgers' ign: 'delete the game' or 'delete the internet'

Anyone here interested in PVP? need to get some organized RA groups going.
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ahh count me in this group, steamid: 'ryanbridgers' ign: 'delete the game' or 'delete the internet'

Anyone here interested in PVP? need to get some organized RA groups going.
PvP is basically all I do these days. I'm down for any type. I'm mainly in JQ and RA though my guild religiously does codex. No gvg for me though.

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Yea I just had another go at the FoW and i made it a little past halfway. Those Hydras killed me cuz everything agros at once pretty much. I was about halfway through to the ghost but got killed. I did manage to knock out 6 quests.

[Edit]
So we need to do FoW again!!! It was great the first time but every time I get on (daily) I rarely see anyone else online.
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Yea I just had another go at the FoW and i made it a little past halfway. Those Hydras killed me cuz everything agros at once pretty much. I was about halfway through to the ghost but got killed. I did manage to knock out 6 quests.

[Edit]
So we need to do FoW again!!! It was great the first time but every time I get on (daily) I rarely see anyone else online.
Yea I got thru like 7, did them like so randomly too lol. But then i left my computer cuz my group was slaying like crazy...when i came back somehow we had died so i was like ************************lol ah well

Btw added deletethegame

And wow, on a side note, i actually have a thread over 50 pages and over 500 posts!! lol
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I still need to find an agent farm.
does the siege still work in dalaldalalala highlands (i forget what its actualy called) I never used it myself but many people swore by it, I always found it quicker just to take a well built party and vanquish but yeah ^^

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Me:
Smoldering embers
Fireball
Breath of Fire
Glowing Gaze
Searing Flames
Liquid Flame
Fire Attunement
Aura of Restoration


Zhed Shadowhoof: (same as me)

I'm on my rubishy netbook connecting to the net via my phone @mygfs so i cant/wont look at your full hero build right now, but this stands out as a great example of the most common mistake you will see people making doing harder zones and hard modes.

firstly your build has 0 defensive properties. (no aor does not count)

Smoldering embers >>>>dps
Fireball >>>>dps
Breath of Fire >>>>dps
Glowing Gaze >>>>dps + emanagement
Searing Flames >>>>dps
Liquid Flame >>>>dps
Fire Attunement>>>>e-management
Aura of Restoration>>>>e-management

this is a bad thing, on hm (for the sake of this post any endgame content on normal mode can be considerd the same as hm) mobs hurt you want to stop them hurting, if you can do that while hurting them so much the better.


In hardmode mobs have lots of health and very high armour vs elemental attacks (and other attacks too but its most noticeable for ele as you go from doing imba dmg in nm to doing very little in hm) they also will run from aoe this means they will not attack who you want them to they will keep reaquireing new targets and juicy low hp low armour ones will take prio.

In short you are trying to do FOW with 6 heros, you and zhed are both supplying mediocre at best dps and bring nothing else to the party no synergy even if your going to be setting stuff on fire at the very least have the paragon shout they're on fire being spammed for some damage mitigation

what to do about it/instead.
I have not played an ele in a long time so this advice may be A useless B outdated C plain good old fashioned wrong! D all of the above. Fire ele while kings of nm are imho a complete waste of space in hm

Air magic:
benefits:
lots of skills with armour penetration so dps is still reasonable.
lots of skills that blind target reducing incoming damage
many other skills suplying other debuffs like weakness and daze again reducing incoming damage.
Can supply cracked armour debuf increasing all your partys dps (if you dont have this else where get it)
Fast casts fast recharges.

cons:
No real aoe to speak of (but as we touched on earlier this is not important only realy offensive defensive skills (if that makes sense)

note worthy skills:
Blinding surge (AOE blind single target dps elite Nightfall)
Enervating charge (weakness core skill)
shell shocked (cracked armour EOTN)

Earth: my usage of earth ele is extreamly limited probably allot more too them than i give them credit for.
Pros:
Lots of very stong defensive skills extra armour and wards being particularly usefull.

cons:
some spike and some good dps but mostly lower damage, slow cast times and long recharges.

best used in conjunction with other ele builds to supply extra defensive abilities

noteworthy skills:
Wards such as of stability etc can be very easy things to swap out to help you dealing with specific mobs/bosses that are giving you trouble.
Various armour skills very good at keeping you personally alive

Water: as with earth i've barely touched these
pros:
very good at shutting down phyical dps with slows and hit reduction.
Fast cast times
can also be good vs casters

Con:
Long recharges, high cost

noteworthy skills:
Rust - shut down signet usage core
blurred vision - aoe reduced hit chance core
maelstrom - aoe interupt core


Now that assumes sticking to just one element and or not use a secondary class, that is ofc not what you want to do at all, usage of PVE only skills is personal preference I myself do not tend to use them as i think they are a crutch for poor play but they are plentifull and genrally overpowered use them as you wish.

personally when i play ele or use an ele hero (which isnt often) I tend towards AIR/Earth E/me builds using the defensive earth wards and armour to compliment the condition spread of air, I like to also include epidemic either on the ele or on one of my other heros to spread the conditions as far as possible, with a condition heavy team build the mes elite Extend condition becomes very very usefull (even given that heros need some micro managment to ensure its correct usage)

alternatively in areas where water does extra damage (hello destroyers) i've tended towards using e/mo and combining prot monk skills with some blinds and snares from water not realy refined the build much as it seems to work pretty well and i use it rarely.

hopefully the above makes some kind of sense and give you some ideas.

One more thing, If you are using the exact same skills on more than one party member you are missing out on potential synergy each member does not exist in its own little bubble try and build your entire party to compliment each others strengths and weaknesses. Try and avoid duplicating skills and conditions the foe can only be poisened once there is little point in having 3 people with poisen skills.

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2500K Gigabyte P67 UD5 r7970 BEDD Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial C300 256gb EK HF supreme full copper Win 7 Ultimate 120hz 1920x1080 23" LG 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky ocn edition 1000w Corsair hx Corsair 800D G9x 
Mouse PadAudio
Steelseries I-2 AKG K702 
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