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Pretty excited to see how much better this is then the h50, I end up with some pretty high ambient temps in the summer and it would be nice to be able to fold at my current oc 24/7.
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Why are the fans so bad?

Why dont you go in a deal with Scythe and implement the Gentle Typhoons?
First, the current understanding of what "good" and "bad" fans are is so far from correct that it's painful. Tons of fans that are considered "good" are actually pretty awful. Doing things like curving the blades into an S shape, or cutting notches, or putting fins on the fan blades, or whatever, don't typically have any effect other than making your fans look different.

Second, fan selection should be matched to use, but it isn't right now. High quality fans take a long time to develop, and R&D isn't cheap. Most companies don't want to put hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars into R&D for a questionable return. Most people just say "shoot the blades in a new color and call it 'EXTREMORAPTOR TURBO VENTIFLEX' or something" and call it a day. Especially in our industry, where there aren't very many big companies. Corsair is one of the 600 pound gorillas in this industry and we're still fairly small - small enough that I started 7 years ago doing memory testing in the lab and now I'm pretty much in charge of which case, cooler, and PSU to develop next.

I don't have an engineering background - though that's actually a rarity here. My boss (GM of the Components Business Unit), his boss (CEO), my old boss (VP of Applications), and even most of our other executives have engineering backgrounds. For the most part, Electrical Engineering, though we do have a few Mechanical Engineers, and even a Nuclear Physics Engineer (who does 'special projects').

I actually started here because I'm a hobbyist and saw an ad for Corsair hiring on the front page of HardOCP back in 2004. I sent a resume and email, got a response with some quiz questions like "What's your best OC?" and "How much voltage do you think is safe to overclock DDR memory?" and "Explain the difference between Slot 1 and Socket 478."

Since then, I basically just worked my way up while going to school for Advertising at the same time.

Since I started by reading forums and learning as much as I could from other guys, I figured I'd keep at it. It's always cool to see something you worked on for a year (or more) get posted in forum sig files and fan threads and stuff. Even if once in a while you get haters, it's overall pretty positive. We're all doing this because we want to, not because we have to.

It's not even that economical to build your own PC nowadays - you can buy one from Cyberpower or iBuypower or Dell or whoever that's actually better performance for the same price, usually. So we do this stuff because we want to pick each little component, and putting it together is enjoyable, and no matter how many damn computers I build, I still cross my fingers every time I hit the power button on the case for the first time.

So yeah, TL;DR - Most fans that people think are good aren't actually very good. The fans in the H60, H80, and H100 are new designs that are optimized for static pressure (what you want when it's right up against a radiator) and Noise/RPM ratios. They may look a bit boring, but they're on-par with the best fans currently available in the aftermarket from a performance standpoint.
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They may look a bit boring, but they're on-par with the best fans currently available in the aftermarket from a performance standpoint.
Are you taking server-grade fans into account here? Because there are quite a few of them that would beat out the ones included in these kits.
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It's not even that economical to build your own PC nowadays - you can buy one from Cyberpower or iBuypower or Dell or whoever that's actually better performance for the same price, usually. So we do this stuff because we want to pick each little component, and putting it together is enjoyable, and no matter how many damn computers I build, I still cross my fingers every time I hit the power button on the case for the first time.
While I agree and applaud most everything you put in your post, I will have to disagree as will most people with the point I quoted above.

I am pretty sure 80% of OCN members could put together a more powerful, reliable and less expensive system then all the listed computer distributors you listed.

Just look at all the "Gaming computer build $600 budget" type posts in the AMD and Intel forum sections. There are 5 a day at least. Try bringing your computer distributor bargains in there and you will get thrown out with a dunce hat on.

Those computer distributors do have their place but it isn't here on OCN. We like to get exactly what we want from our computers...hell it works the same for me on a lot of things like my BMW I just ordered...yes, I didn't want one on the lot because it didn't have exactly what I wanted so I went and ordered one, takes 8 weeks but well worth it to get my particular needs met.
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While I agree and applaud most everything you put in your post, I will have to disagree as will most people with the point I quoted above.

I am pretty sure 80% of OCN members could put together a more powerful, reliable and less inexpensive system then all the listed computer distributors you listed.

Just look at all the "Gaming computer build $600 budget" type posts in the AMD and Intel forum sections. There are 5 a day at least. Try bringing your computer distributor bargains in there and you will get thrown out with a dunce hat on.

Those computer distributors do have their place but it isn't here on OCN. We like to get exactly what we want from our computers...hell it works the same for me on a lot of things like my BMW I just ordered...yes, I didn't want one on the lot because it didn't have exactly what I wanted so I went and ordered one, takes 8 weeks but well worth it to get my particular needs met.
^ This. That was what I was thinking too when I read your post. It might seem economical to buy a prebuilt one, but in terms of actual price to performance, a custom build is far superior.

Prebuilt ones in the price range of $1400+ can match equally priced custom rigs (and sometimes even outperform -although its very rare), but anything that is classified as "budget" doesn't even come close to a custom.
I thought one of the attractions towards building custom was not only because of the customizability, but also because its CHEAPER. At least for me, and several other friends, that was the case.

That being said, I'm not denying the credibility of the rest of his post. That part I completely agree on.
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They may look a bit boring, but they're on-par with the best fans currently available in the aftermarket from a performance standpoint.
I sincerely hope you can validate this claim before your words get put through the ringer here/review sites.
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I sincerely hope you can validate this claim before your words get put through the ringer here/review sites.
my silverstone 120mm FM121 has something to say about that as well.
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my silverstone 120mm FM121 has something to say about that as well.
That's not such a great fan, though...
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I do appreciate the info and feedback George, and the insight into how you came into your current position was enlightening.
But the stock fans on the H series, compared to quite a number of aftermarket replacements, don't really seem to have any qualities that differentiate them. In fact, in many tests done by fellow members the stock fans are quite often beat out for performance in test rigs.
I myself have 2 of the cheapest 120mm fans available on Newegg in a P/P config, and they are doing just as well as the Corsair fans that I have used in the same setup.
I'm not insinuating that your fans aren't quality products, but it does seem that better performance can be had from other manufacturers.
Just my 2 cents, and I will be looking into an H100 whenever the become available for purchase.
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Loving the closed circuit coolers, keep' em coming Corsair and Antec

Hope other makers join in this trend as well.
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