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LOL, yes kind of I didn't make it very clear. What I meant was that the perceived general quality will be greater, although you may not notice the pixels as you already don't with the iPhone 4, from a generally accepted viewing distance. The image can look sharper and with more contrast, because of that.
More pixels that your eye cannot already see will yield absolutely no perceived increase in image quality. If the pixels are smaller than the resolution of your eye to detect, then as far as your eye is concerned, they don't exist. More pixels beyond what your eye can detect cannot possibly have any effect on making an image look sharper/have more contrast.

I'm disappointed with this push to cram more unnecessary pixels in small screens for portable devices vs. making more durable, power-efficient, and alternative types of displays more practical.
    
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How about a screen with an aspect ratio that isn't silly like the fail-phone?
I'd like screen that doesn't constantly have black bars when watching content. 1.5:1?

I'd take a screen like this in my next phone any day.

This screen would actually require less processing by the CPU/GPU because it can natively play 720 content and it won't have to be resized/scaled to fit.

Just my
I totally agree with you Sparhawk as I wouldn't mind it natively playing 720p. Plus I'm positive that I'll notice the jump in picture quality going from my evo to that phone. I honestly don't see any negative to this considering that it will top the iphone AND not have a retarded aspect ratio either.
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More pixels that your eye cannot already see will yield absolutely no perceived increase in image quality. If the pixels are smaller than the resolution of your eye to detect, then as far as your eye is concerned, they don't exist. More pixels beyond what your eye can detect cannot possibly have any effect on making an image look sharper/have more contrast.

I'm disappointed with this push to cram more unnecessary pixels in small screens for portable devices vs. making more durable, power-efficient, and alternative types of displays more practical.
Why would I want a display (326ppi) that is close to my not noticing the pixels when i could have something that i'm guaranteed not to notice the pixels (367ppi).

Especially on hardware that's in the ballpark of twice as powerful than the phone featuring the former.

Also, the "retina" display is a marketing tool, its not actually the limit of an eye's focus at 12".
    
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If you jailbreak your phone.. which most more advanced users have... you can install VLC and it plays every movie format out there.

As for music you can either use the regular iPod app or just install dTunes / xPod, the latter two support drag and drop play, which really in the end removes the need of iTunes other than for iPhone drivers and restores / firmware upgrades.

If I missed your point on encoding, I'm sorry... if I'm wrong I'll take it, I'm hoping by encoding you mean file formats conversion... :\\

As for the screen... well, while the "retina" display is nice... technology will always move forward and so be it. My mom was perfectly fine with an e2140 for all her work stuff, bumped her to a q6600, overkill? Hell yes, but it's more future proof.

Plus, this is overclock.net, where enough doesn't cut it, and overkill is barely meeting the minimum requirement

Yes, yes, I was talking about file format conversion, which takes time. For the general user tough, it will be a good thing, since they probably won't even know what VLC is.

Curious, I also built a PC for my mom with an E2140. I've been thinking of getting her a more powerful CPU, but I really can't justify it given she only browses the web, uses office applications and checks e-mail with Outlook. Especially since it's the most quiet PC in the house (stock cooler runs at the minimum 800rpm with this CPU). I'll probably get her a new CPU along with more RAM in the near future though.

Oh, your last sentence basically sums it up! Cheers!

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How about a screen with an aspect ratio that isn't silly like the fail-phone?
I'd like screen that doesn't constantly have black bars when watching content. 1.5:1?

I'd take a screen like this in my next phone any day.

This screen would actually require less processing by the CPU/GPU because it can natively play 720 content and it won't have to be resized/scaled to fit.

Just my
Yep, since it a standardized resolution, I bet it will make things a lot easier in most areas. Nowadays you have a myriad of different resolutions depending on the phone model, which doesn't help.

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More pixels that your eye cannot already see will yield absolutely no perceived increase in image quality. If the pixels are smaller than the resolution of your eye to detect, then as far as your eye is concerned, they don't exist. More pixels beyond what your eye can detect cannot possibly have any effect on making an image look sharper/have more contrast.

I'm disappointed with this push to cram more unnecessary pixels in small screens for portable devices vs. making more durable, power-efficient, and alternative types of displays more practical.

The thing is, some people claim they can still notice the individual pixels in the iPhone 4, even if they have to look closer. But this alone means that the pixels are still noticeable to the naked eye, which means there is still room for improvement. Besides, more demanding users will probably want more. Heck, I use my main rig with a 20' widescreen monitor with a 1680x1050 native resolution, but my desktop resolution is 1280x800 for comfort reasons. Some people will probably say I'm insane and use it at the default resolution. To each his own.

I can also say I don't notice the individual pixels of my monitor unless I get closer. So, those people claiming Full HD is the minimum nowadays are probably exaggerating too, but the truth is lots of gamers only care about Full HD nowadays. Oh, and laptops with 15.6' Full HD displays are also over the top. And yet, you can always claim you can watch Blue Ray movies natively.

Guys, listen to Munkypoo7:

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Plus, this is overclock.net, where enough doesn't cut it, and overkill is barely meeting the minimum requirement
Sometimes you guys forget you are on OCN!
 
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Why would I want a display (326ppi) that is close to my not noticing the pixels when i could have something that i'm guaranteed not to notice the pixels (367ppi).

Especially on hardware that's in the ballpark of twice as powerful than the phone featuring the former.

Also, the "retina" display is a marketing tool, its not actually the limit of an eye's focus at 12".
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If this coincides with Kal-El Tegra 3 release, then expect new Android machines to roll out with said displays. I'll be rooting for a debut by something like a Droid 3 or the next Nexus.
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Whose to say this wont BE the next retina display?
Because iOS doesn't support app scaling.

Apple can only release phones in multiples of 480x320, or the apps will have to speficially coded for the new resolution, like they are with the iPad, or suffer horrible black bars (like on the iPad)

Apple would have to either redesign their primitive app framework to support scaling or just fragment their market again, making all future apps iPhone 5 only.
    
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