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for a beginner camera, it really doesnt matter which DSLR you get they all do pretty much the same.

it only begins to differ when you start getting limited due to equipment. each brand has their own strengths and weaknesses. so just get the cheapest one you can, you will probably need to buy a new body once you get deeper into photography and at that time you will know which system (brand) will fit your shooting style better.
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Originally Posted by mz-n10 View Post
for a beginner camera, it really doesnt matter which DSLR you get they all do pretty much the same.

it only begins to differ when you start getting limited due to equipment. each brand has their own strengths and weaknesses. so just get the cheapest one you can, you will probably need to buy a new body once you get deeper into photography and at that time you will know which system (brand) will fit your shooting style better.
I'll echo this sentiment. Problem is, if you have past experience, it becomes very easy to grow out of a body in a very short period of time.
Edited by sub50hz - 5/18/11 at 2:19pm
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No effin way. CLP gets you a T2i for $512 plus tax. T3 absolutely pales in comparison.
Assuming he feels like going through the trouble of buying an old Canon camera from Ebay, yes that is the best deal. If he just wants to go ahead and buy it, the T2i is out of his price range.

Also, the T3 comes with the 18-55 IS II. I don't know how much of a difference it makes having the second version, but the improved lens could be a factor in deciding between a T3 kit or a T1i kit (assuming he doesn't want to go through CLP, if he does, T2i is obviously the best choice).
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Assuming he feels like going through the trouble of buying an old Canon camera from Ebay, yes that is the best deal. If he just wants to go ahead and buy it, the T2i is out of his price range.
Wait... what? CLP != eBay. You get a refurbished (read: like new or better) camera/lens combo with a 90-day warranty. The T2i CLP combo is not out of his price range.

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Also, the T3 comes with the 18-55 IS II. I don't know how much of a difference it makes having the second version, but the improved lens could be a facor in deciding between a T3 kit or a T1i kit (assuming he doesn't want to go through CLP, if he does, T2i is obviously the best choice).
The 18-55 IS II is optically identical the the original, but has cheapened cosmetically.
post #15 of 35
if you are going for a camera that takes good pictures, they all do. If you want full control over you camera, that is where you have to spend more.

My sister has a Nikon D80 and she loves it, she said she wouldn't buy a canon eos only because they are more automatic and don't let you control the camera the same.
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My girlfriend who used DSLR a lot told me that Nikon is not as good as it use to be anymore because they used to made in Japan, but now all made in China, is that true?
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Hmmm, not sure, I myself am kinda new, but it seems to be constructed really well to take a beating if that's what she means.
Not at all. Almost all DSLR companies have their factories in Japan. When the Japanese earthquake hit, nearly all of the camera brands released press statements detailing which factories were hit and which products were affected. Nikon is definitely one of the ones with factories in Japan, Canon as well, hence why prices have been going up lately. And no, Nikon is still a very strong camera company. They are not getting worse by any means. If anything, I'd argue Nikon is doing very well for itself compared to before.

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ya, i don't mind even if they are made in China, and still really well construct.
Canon Nikon, what about Olympus? or Lumix DSLR?
are they comparable with Canon or Nikon?
I'd stick to Canon and Nikon honestly for the lenses, accessories, and third party gear.

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No effin way. CLP gets you a T2i for $512 plus tax. T3 absolutely pales in comparison.
+1.

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Originally Posted by mz-n10 View Post
for a beginner camera, it really doesnt matter which DSLR you get they all do pretty much the same.

it only begins to differ when you start getting limited due to equipment. each brand has their own strengths and weaknesses. so just get the cheapest one you can, you will probably need to buy a new body once you get deeper into photography and at that time you will know which system (brand) will fit your shooting style better.
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I'll echo this sentiment. Problem is, if you have past experience, it becomes very easy to grow out of a body in a very short period of time.
+2

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Assuming he feels like going through the trouble of buying an old Canon camera from Ebay, yes that is the best deal. If he just wants to go ahead and buy it, the T2i is out of his price range.

Also, the T3 comes with the 18-55 IS II. I don't know how much of a difference it makes having the second version, but the improved lens could be a factor in deciding between a T3 kit or a T1i kit (assuming he doesn't want to go through CLP, if he does, T2i is obviously the best choice).
Ebay is a horrible choice. The cameras are overpriced, and I really really distrust the majority of sellers on Ebay. Unlike places like KEH or POTN, Ebay isn't a niche for professional/serious enthusiasts, and I am very weary of essentially getting a used camera from a casual shooter who doesn't know how to handle their gear properly. Even moreso, CLP is direct from Canon themselves and eliminates the middle man, and is cheaper.

As for the 18-55 IS II, there is NO change to the optics. It's a purely body change meant to lower construction costs for Canon. The IQ/optics are exactly the same between V. I and V. II of the 18-55 IS.

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if you are going for a camera that takes good pictures, they all do. If you want full control over you camera, that is where you have to spend more.

My sister has a Nikon D80 and she loves it, she said she wouldn't buy a canon eos only because they are more automatic and don't let you control the camera the same.
Your sister is wrong. Both systems offer very fine control of the photos. If she complains that Canon hand-holds too much, she's really not using the Canon properly at all.

Both cameras have the same manual settings across both systems. The only differences honestly are either settings that only seasoned photographers care about (Vignetting/CA control) or meant specifically for special types of photography (Auto Bracketting). For 99% of photos, Nikon and Canon (and all DSLRs for that matter) share the same manual settings (Aperture, Shutter Speed, ISO, White Balance, Noise Reduction, AF Drive, Metering, AF points, EV Compensation, etc.)
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Wait... what? CLP != eBay. You get a refurbished (read: like new or better) camera/lens combo with a 90-day warranty. The T2i CLP combo is not out of his price range.
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Ebay is a horrible choice. The cameras are overpriced, and I really really distrust the majority of sellers on Ebay. Unlike places like KEH or POTN, Ebay isn't a niche for professional/serious enthusiasts, and I am very weary of essentially getting a used camera from a casual shooter who doesn't know how to handle their gear properly. Even moreso, CLP is direct from Canon themselves and eliminates the middle man, and is cheaper.
No, no. In order to buy something from the Canon Loyalty Program, you need to have some sort of Canon camera to trade in for the T2i. If he doesn't already have a Canon camera laying around, he would need to go searching for a cheap one on Ebay or Craigslist, so he can use the serial number of that camera to buy from the CLP.

That's what I meant when I said Ebay. He might not feel like buying an old Canon point and shoot from Ebay, waiting to get it in the mail and then finally being able to order his DSLR.



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The 18-55 IS II is optically identical the the original, but has cheapened cosmetically.
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As for the 18-55 IS II, there is NO change to the optics. It's a purely body change meant to lower construction costs for Canon. The IQ/optics are exactly the same between V. I and V. II of the 18-55 IS.
Oh...well that sucks. I had assumed they made it better
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post #18 of 35
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No, no. In order to buy something from the Canon Loyalty Program, you need to have some sort of Canon camera to trade in for the T2i. If he doesn't already have a Canon camera laying around, he would need to go searching for a cheap one on Ebay or Craigslist, so he can use the serial number of that camera to buy from the CLP.
Oh that makes sense then. Aha, well, I mean it's a bit of a hassle but it's a ton of money off, so it's worth it in my opinion. Broken P&S can be found for ~$15, and often results in a discount of over $100.


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Oh...well that sucks. I had assumed they made it better
As did I, but it was one of the points Canon mentioned during the 600D and 1100D release. That said, the 18-55IS lens is already a great lens, esp. for a beginner. Pretty hard to find sharper without a prime or a $500+ lens.
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Your sister is wrong. Both systems offer very fine control of the photos. If she complains that Canon hand-holds too much, she's really not using the Canon properly at all.

Both cameras have the same manual settings across both systems. The only differences honestly are either settings that only seasoned photographers care about (Vignetting/CA control) or meant specifically for special types of photography (Auto Bracketting). For 99% of photos, Nikon and Canon (and all DSLRs for that matter) share the same manual settings (Aperture, Shutter Speed, ISO, White Balance, Noise Reduction, AF Drive, Metering, AF points, EV Compensation, etc.)
she didn't say all of them, but there is a certain line of Canons, that are more towards people who don't manual control it. I was just putting that out there.
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she didn't say all of them, but there is a certain line of Canons, that are more towards people who don't manual control it. I was just putting that out there.
A Canon DSLR line? Which line would that be? Pretty sure nothing like that exists.
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