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Originally Posted by Iceman23;13573863 
I love how you selectively ignore my posts because you know you screwed up.

here we go again...... read the lines..... the headphones are for Teamspeak the Main use will be the 5.1 setup
post #42 of 57
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Originally Posted by LinuxMaster9;13574094 
here we go again...... read the lines..... the headphones are for Teamspeak the Main use will be the 5.1 setup

Huh? I wasn't referring to you.
post #43 of 57
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Originally Posted by Iceman23;13574027 
Come on man, this is getting ridiculous. Seriously you have no clue. Where did you get the 96dB figure from? The artice you posted. What was that article talking about? That's right, dynamic range. Let me quote it for you.



See that there? NOTHING about SNR. They are completely different things. I'm not evening going to attempt to understand that mess about cups and dB. Please, refrain from posting about things that you have completely fabricated or know nothing about.

no not from the article. its pretty well know by everyone 16bit only can give you 96db max. You can go see it on wiki aswell tis everywhere thought you know that since you are talking about stereo music etc etc

A DAC job is to get it as close to the original as possible. If it was 24bit then a higher snr wouldve made a difference because it can fill a cup more.
DACs, like op amps, are only as good as the supporting circuitry. To the end user it doesn't really matter which dac is used, so long as the unit as a whole is properly designed. In other words a good chip that is poorly implemented will sound worse than a poor chip properly implemented. I would buy based on overall performance rather than what chips they use.
You are significantly more likely to hear a difference in the program algorithms and fxprocessing than you are dac performance mate.
post #44 of 57
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Originally Posted by Spooony;13574213 
no not from the article. its pretty well know by everyone 16bit only can give you 96db max. You can go see it on wiki aswell tis everywhere thought you know that since you are talking about stereo music etc etc

Yes, 96 dB DYNAMIC RANGE!!! NOT SNR!! How can I make this more clear to you?
post #45 of 57
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Originally Posted by Iceman23;13574230 
Yes, 96 dB DYNAMIC RANGE!!! NOT SNR!! How can I make this more clear to you?

geez lol how do I put it.
The Dac must try to convert that to analog by getting it as close as possible to that 96. THE ONLY TIME YOU WILL HEAR A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DAC OF THE Burr-Brown PCM1796 AND THE Cirrus Logic CS4245 IS WHEN YOU CRANK IT UP TO STADIUM LEVEL!!!!!!!! DYNAMIC RANGE HAS A DIRECT INFLUENCE ON SNR ASWELL VICE VERSA

And the 96db was a example I took the max that can be achieve with 16bit. But it won't be that number. It will be a smaller number even.
Edited by Spooony - 5/20/11 at 9:12am
post #46 of 57
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Originally Posted by Spooony;13574367 
geez lol how do I put it.
The Dac must try to convert that to analog by getting it as close as possible to that 96. THE ONLY TIME YOU WILL HEAR A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DAC OF THE Burr-Brown PCM1796 AND THE Cirrus Logic CS4245 IS WHEN YOU CRANK IT UP TO STADIUM LEVEL!!!!!!!! DYNAMIC RANGE HAS A DIRECT INFLUENCE ON SNR ASWELL VICE VERSA

Dynamic range does not affect snr directly. Imagine a device with a SNR of 0db (effectively all noise). Now say it has a dynamic range of 96db. Doesn't matter how loud you play it, you're still going to hear the noise floor. I am well aware you'd have to turn it up very high to hear the noise floor with the soundcards. And a track with 96dB dynamic range you shouldn't hear noise when played on a device with a 110dB SNR, even at highest volume (given that the track itself has no noise floor, which of course is not a real world case). However, to say that SNR is the only area in which you can hear differences between DACs is incredible. Ever hear of THD? The analog circuitry of a DAC is also critical to its sound, as is its power supply, latency and ability to recover and stabilize the clock from the digital signal (jitter). All these things will influence the sound you eventually hear.
Edited by Iceman23 - 5/20/11 at 9:22am
post #47 of 57
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so basically, for 5,1 gaming get the xfi titanium? but which one? I dont want to drop a lot on one
post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by LinuxMaster9;13574784 
so basically, for 5,1 gaming get the xfi titanium? but which one? I dont want to drop a lot on one

i think you are preferring to that one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102024

its really great although people talk about its unstable drivers , a friend of mine uses it, and founded no problem

and i don't think the X-Fi titanium Fatal1ty worth it its only has extra shield and only 64MB while 16MB for the Titanium but its useless

so i think that the X-Fi Titanium is really good choice for gamers
    
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post #49 of 57
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ok cause quite a few people have said i need the Titanium HD
post #50 of 57
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Originally Posted by LinuxMaster9;13580923 
ok cause quite a few people have said i need the Titanium HD

it was you enquiring about the Swappable OPS amp?

Here is the part and the number you can swap it for.
LME49710 ->NE5534
NJM2114 ->LME49710 and the NE5532

Onboard the card are the LME49710 (single) and the NJM2114 (dual)

That card got exactly the same Bur Brown DAC PCMC1796 as the ASUS Xonar STX.
So don't believe the difference in specs by the two. The DACs are the same.

What do you mean 5.1 gaming btw? Headphones ->dolby amp positional audio type of thing?
Edited by Spooony - 5/20/11 at 9:48pm
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