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Poll Results: Shall I go ahead and use the 9600gt as PhysX?

 
  • 8% (5)
    YES, definitely. performance will improve quite a bit.
  • 54% (31)
    Nope, totally useless idea.
  • 36% (21)
    Yeah sure, very little increase in fps though.
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I have the msi gtx560ti twinfrozr 2 oc version installed in my sig rig. My mobo has an unused pci-e 4x slot. I understand that it is quite sufficient for a physx card. In a few days I will get an XFX 9600GT 512mb ( no 6pin power needed) card and I was thinking about adding it as a dedicated physx card. So guys, please help me make my decision. what kind of increase in fps am I looking at here? how to set it up, any special step to take? (please remember that I wont buy cards like gt240/250/9800gtx, i am getting this 9600gt for free and i will either use it or sell it to start saving money for my move to intel).
I will be immensely happy if I find ~10fps gains. So people, please educate me on this!
    
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post #2 of 45
No, a 9600 isn't sufficient enough, but, it's worth trying.
 
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Maybe this can give you idea about GPU PhysX comparison?
    
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should give a "slight" boost

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Originally Posted by Bima Sylirian View Post
Maybe this can give you idea about GPU PhysX comparison?
lol......how can a 64SP 9600GT be faster than a 128SP GTS
    
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Originally Posted by leopold1985 View Post
I have the msi gtx560ti twinfrozr 2 oc version installed in my sig rig. My mobo has an unused pci-e 4x slot. I understand that it is quite sufficient for a physx card. In a few days I will get an XFX 9600GT 512mb ( no 6pin power needed) card and I was thinking about adding it as a dedicated physx card. So guys, please help me make my decision. what kind of increase in fps am I looking at here? how to set it up, any special step to take? (please remember that I wont buy cards like gt240/250/9800gtx, i am getting this 9600gt for free and i will either use it or sell it to start saving money for my move to intel).
I will be immensely happy if I find ~10fps gains. So people, please educate me on this!
Here's what I've learned from other members here on OCN:

The PhysX processing power of something like the 9600 GT will be quite inferior to the PhysX processing power that you would get by just letting the GTX 560 do all the work. So, it would result in lower performance because the GTX 560 would be sitting there going "Sigh. Come on, slowpoke! Let's get a move on! You are so slow at processing PhysX!"

So a better match would be something like the GTS 250 or better (preferably at least a GTX 260).
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post #6 of 45
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Originally Posted by Vlasov_581 View Post
should give a "slight" boost



lol......how can a 64SP 9600GT be faster than a 128SP GTS
Don't really know behind the technology
As far as I know, 8800 GTS performance is not far from 9600GT.
And the difference from the chart is very small.
    
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I have the msi gtx560ti twinfrozr 2 oc version installed in my sig rig. My mobo has an unused pci-e 4x slot. I understand that it is quite sufficient for a physx card. In a few days I will get an XFX 9600GT 512mb ( no 6pin power needed) card and I was thinking about adding it as a dedicated physx card. So guys, please help me make my decision. what kind of increase in fps am I looking at here? how to set it up, any special step to take? (please remember that I wont buy cards like gt240/250/9800gtx, i am getting this 9600gt for free and i will either use it or sell it to start saving money for my move to intel).
I will be immensely happy if I find ~10fps gains. So people, please educate me on this!

The most important part of this venture is that it is a free card.
This is a very good starting point for consideration of any Physx card.

The only way to find out is to try it out with your sig rig. There are really not many games with Physx and I think Mafia II is one with a built-in benchmark utility. If you do not have the game, just download the demo version which contains the utility.

There is no special step to setup the card. Just plug the card in. Power up and it might be recognized. If not, I would just uninstall and reinstall the latest Nvidia driver package. Or, simply use the Clean Install option without even doing any uninstalling. Then, once the 2 cards are properly recognized, go to Nvidia Control Panel and choose the 9600GT as the Dedicated Physx card. Simple and straight forward.

Nvidia says a minimum of 32 shaders for Physx. Many people in the net, including myself, would say a minimum of 96. As the 9600GT has 64, it might still work. As already said, the only way to be certain is to try it on a rig. My prediction is that you will not see a +10fps.

There are different types of Physx coding. One is Apex Physx used in Mafia 2. The effects are flowing clothing and particle debris. Even if you have a Nvidia graphics card as the main card to do render and Physx effects, the flowing clothing portion is still handled by your CPU. However, if you have a Dedicated Physx card, both flowing clothing and particle debris will be handled by the Dedicated GPU. So, in a certain situation, even with a powerful Nvidia graphics card as the main card, having a Dedicated Physx card can still assist by taking some load off from the CPU. This is a relatively little known fact of Physx.
Edited by windfire - 5/19/11 at 7:03am
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Nvidia says a minimum of 32 shaders for Physx. Many people in the net, including myself, would say a minimum of 96. As the 9600GT has 64, it might still work. As already said, the only way to be certain is to try it on a rig. My prediction is that you will not see a +10fps.
Thats something I was thinking about too.
Consider this thread as a fishing net, I am trying to catch at least one person who has at some point used a 9600gt (as physx) along with a card like gtx470/560ti/570. It would help me skip the part of trying out the 9600gt myself. I just hate uninstalling/reinstalling gpu drivers. ( I know Nvidia drivers are hassle free but I had too much trouble with my last ATI card drivers. It was a horrible breakup and I am not ready for the same thing yet )
Anyway, you can help me out too. You would do me a huge favor if you can post the FPS you got (in games like Mafia2 or Batman AA) with and without the dedicated card. Thanks.
    
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But isn't the PhysX processing power that is in the GTX 560 far superior to the 9600 GT? I mean, so wouldn't that mean that the 9600 GT would either make either absolutely no difference, or even be a bottleneck?
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But isn't the PhysX processing power that is in the GTX 560 far superior to the 9600 GT? I mean, so wouldn't that mean that the 9600 GT would either make either absolutely no difference, or even be a bottleneck?
I am not absolutely sure about this but I think that the individual core architecture has not changed much. So the processing power per core may still be about the same. If this is the case then surely the number of cores will decide the winner. 9600GT has only 64 shader cores, they may be small in number but still might come in handy by leaving the cores in primary gpu available to process graphics only (and also by letting the cpu take a nap).
Once again, I am not absolutely sure about this so if someone has more information on this please come forward.
Anyway, the only thing which remains unsolved is to actually find out how much help the lowly 9600gt can provide. Looks like I might have to find that out myself (the approx amount of gain in fps, if there is any).
    
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