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Has anyone else noticed that Steve has been screwing with Apple a lot lately? Probably because he's about to die soon so he's just like screw it.
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I too would like to know where the idea that "Macs don't get viruses or malware" came from. I have never heard it come straight out and stated as such by Apple, though those commericials came very close. You didn't have to read between the lines very hard to pick it out. The only one I really raged over was the one about the PC going in for an operation to upgade his OS and all the trouble it would bring him...Macs have new OS releases too and suffer from all of the same problems as a PC.

But it has never been officially said that Macs are more secure, don't get viruses, or run better than a PC. Why does nearly every non-computer savy person who owns a Mac that I meet brag about how they are more secure, don't get viruses, and run better? And even more often I get the this same exact comment over and over and it drives me nuts..."The graphics are incredible, I could never go back to a PC's graphics". Is there some form of mind control built into the Mac OS that I haven't been exposed to enough to sucome to? Where does all this crap come from? I know enough about a Mac to fix them and I play around with one every now and then to keep my skills fresh...other than that I look at them as bad, expensive paper wieghts.
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Originally Posted by SkinBob View Post
This just gives apple the perfect opportunity to intent iware or ivirus or summits so all the fanboys can then boast their virus removal software is better too.
You'd be surprised to know that there's actually a few companies that make AV for Macs that also make it for Windows. Kaspersky, for example is one of them.

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Originally Posted by AsAnAtheist View Post
Dream Killer,

Microsoft the Windows Operating System developer/creator provides free support and a free antivirus for malicious program removals. Yup, free.

Apple the OS Operating system devleoper/creater provides no support nor acknowledgement for malicious program removals. Yup, totally free they will not deny nor confirm.

So much for your argument.
Well, if they don't want to, they don't have to. Sure, they could, but it's their decision ultimately, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Dream Killer View Post
Anti-virus software for Macs do exist. It's even on the shelves of Apple Retail Stores (they even tried to sell me one). Microsoft giving out MSE for free isn't much of an argument because were talking about providing support for machines that are already infected.
This. A few companies have jumped on this niche(?) and started developing/have developed the software. Giving out something for free essentially means that everyone'll have it. That in turn could mean that more people will target what everyone has, as opposed to what people may have.

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Originally Posted by qwertymac93 View Post
According to apple, the malware needs admin authorization to install, which means these people are just being careless. This is nothing like the ninja malware that hit XP all the time. Don't know about windows 7 cause i've never first-hand seen someone with it get infected(yet).
This is true. You need to click yes if you want to install anything. And I mean anything.

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Originally Posted by Osiris[405] View Post
If the average Mac user were savvy, they would never have purchased the Mac in the first place.
There are actually quite a few people with Macs on this forum. Myself one of them. But then ... you did say average Mac user ... so I'll let that slip

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Originally Posted by Maelthras View Post
Nah those commercials were on recently, they still have them on and randomizer, quit being such a fan boy and saying that. Macs made the claim they didn't get viruses, they always have but they didn't make a big deal about it ever so it wasn't well known. Pc is by far the more popular platform so programmers that made viruses played into that and for the most part left macs alone.
Macs made the claim that they just work. They didn't specifically state viruses, but yes, it was implied. I also appreciate that you said PC is by far the more popular platform as opposed to, "PC is the more superior platform"

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Originally Posted by scottb75 View Post
The bottomline is that these recent malware/viruses popping up on Macs should be a wakeup call for Mac users that they too need to use common sense when browsing the Internet and downloading things and that maybe investing in Anti-Virus/Security software and Firewalls wouldn't be such a bad idea after all.
Yes. This is exactly what this is good for. Now people will finally realise that Macs are not all that different from PC's. They're essentially the same bloody thing.

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Originally Posted by alpsie View Post
just goes to show, that the people who have been targeting the pc´s have noticed the increase of mac users, and therefore can see the point of spending time on making stuff towards the mac users.

Thats why mac users have been safe for so much time, they were such a small group so there was no reason to target them. Sadly that also made the mac users arrogant thinking they were safe.
This and this. So true. So many of my friends are all like " WE DON'T GET VIRUSES. BOW DOWN TO ME"

And then they tell me how it's a wakeup call that there's a virus for Mac's going around

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Originally Posted by scottb75 View Post
This is a forum full of people who like to build their own custom systems and overclock them. There is not much about anything Apple makes or stands for that would appeal to such a demographic.
Well, I'd say that Macbooks look nice. That's essentially one of the underlying reasons I bought one. And the trackpad. I know, people will say other laptops, but there's just something about the aluminium finish that appeals to me.

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Originally Posted by Manyak View Post
I've been using Linux for 15 and I've never had any security issues either. And the last time I had a Windows virus was about 10 years ago. So what's your point?

P.S.: Most of "Apple Hate" isn't hate for the products themselves. First, there's making fun of the sheep who buy all their stuff like it was a religion. (I'm not talking about anyone who buys their stuff, just the ones who are like "Steve is GOD!". Which there are a lot of.) Then the hate for the company itself is because their policies have been shown, time and time again, to spit on their customers' faces - their level of service is far less than what you get from other companies (at least while in warranty it is, once you pay then it's fine), and on top of that, they lie directly to their faces about everything. Just like this document shows. "We know it's infected, but don't let the customers know that we know". What the hell is that.

On the iPad's release day last year, there were ~75000 people waiting in line for it at the Apple store in Manhattan when the doors opened. When 2000 of them were asked if they had looked at other options first, 75% said no. When asked if they had any special use for it, 97% said no. That's what I call "willful ignorance", which roughly translates to "56,250 people who want to be stupid". However good or bad the iPad is/was is irrelevant; as far as these people were concerned, nothing else even existed.

Also, the fact that someone can wait in line all day and night behind 74,999 other people just to spend money on something they don't actually need is really....just wow. What a waste of life.
Their fanboy/girl-ism is probably worse than majority of the users on this forum. Although I have a bunch of Apple-related stuff at home, I would never spend my day outside a store waiting for it to open. Like the majority of the people on this forum, I take a look at what else there is on the market, and seek the opinions of others before I make a purchase. However, the final decision is up to me, and there's always something about one product that I'll like that no one else can see.

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To be honest, Windows on Macs crashes a ton. Mac OS on my Macbook crashes a lot of programs. No OS is without it's flaws.

And yes, it bugs me. It bugs me a lot. So much for "It Just Works."
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To be honest, Windows on Macs crashes a ton.
I've never seen Windows simply crash on Macs. I have only seen it lock up and power off the computer. Yes, it just switches off.
    
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some moderators here love the macs, so watch what you say.
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I've never seen Windows simply crash on Macs. I have only seen it lock up and power off the computer. Yes, it just switches off.
Mine just BSOD's and I have no idea why. I don't really mind though. I spend most of my time on my laptop on OS X
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I've never seen Windows simply crash on Macs. I have only seen it lock up and power off the computer. Yes, it just switches off.
Most would consider your computer locking up and turning off...a crash...
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Originally Posted by james_ant View Post
Ya I didn't ask him. He is a mac user and doesn't know much about computers. So it's kinda pointless to carry on a conversation with someone like him about what when wrong. All I know is he said it costed him over 300$ and for some reason he had to buy a new copy of OSX. Either he lost his disks or the computer tech guy was taking advantage.

Also I know its not a money brag but in the end they are not spending any money to fix it and I think a lot of people are going to have to buy new copies of OSX just like my prof had to. Just saying I don't see how Apple could stand to loose, people will still blindly buy their products and pay to get their Macs repaired.
A full copy of OSX costs... $30
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC...co=MTc1MTEzNjY

It also does not require a cd key and does not have a limited number of activations tied to one set of hardware.
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A full copy of OSX costs... $30
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC...co=MTc1MTEzNjY

It also does not require a cd key and does not have a limited number of activations tied to one set of hardware.
I believe that is only an upgrade? Or does it work on a fresh install as well? I've never had any experience with the OSX 10.6 retail discs.
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