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Apparently, the new AM3+ sockets are simply more for efficient power delivery, allowing more current to the CPU (145A vs 110A of AM3), improved LLC (reducing VDroop), less electrical noise and better VID support.

I personally don't know how much of a difference, if any, that will make in OCing or the stability/performance of the new range of CPU's.

The improved 990 chipset will have a netter NB/SB, probably allowing faster data rates and bandwidth, and probable better overclocking capabilities through the bus than the 8-series.

I personally will go for a black socket, to fully utilize every aspect of the upcoming BD's, no matter how trivial. Price difference between boards is marginal, and you're getting newer tech.

If you need a proper AM3+ socket to fully utilize future CPU upgrades and SATA3 peripherals or SSD upgrades or CF, aswell as great power delivery, the 880 AM3+ board for that price is a great deal if you ask me.
Looks like you bought into AsRock's marketing brochure. Most people don't use LLC. I think "less electrical noise" and "better VID support" is BS (it just sounds like BS, no?). The fact that they are using a chipset that's over a year old is suspect.

The AM3+ boards do cost substatially more. You can get a better quality AM3 board with more features for the same price of an AM3+ board (at least the ones I've seen on Newegg).

The "CPU upgrades and SATA3 peripherals or SSD upgrades or CF" you speak of have been available on AM3 boards for a long time (e.g. my current MOBO). I don't see how this makes an AM3+ 880 board a better buy.
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only thing I plan on getting is a good phenom II CPU that will be more than meets my gaming needs I just need a realy good but cheap mobo I have found ram to max my current 4gb to 8gb I can get a foxconn cinema delux for £49.99 free postage 8-2 vrm and heat synced so I'm kinda looking at that for a total of £77.97 for the board and ram
You know, i think that's a mATX board too.

Remember that 8+2 Foxconn VRMs is not the same as ASUS or Gigabyte 8+2 VRM. Also remember that your CPU is only 95W stock. You can OC the crap out of it on many ASUS 4+1 unheatsinked boards. If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to steer you to better brands. It's ultimately up to you.
Edited by charlie310 - 5/19/11 at 10:17am
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Looks like you bought into AsRock's marketing brochure. Most people don't use LLC. I think "less electrical noise" and "better VID support" is BS (it just sounds like BS, no?). The fact that they are using a chipset that's over a year old is suspect.

The AM3+ boards do cost substatially more. You can get a better quality AM3 board with more features for the same price of an AM3+ board (at least the ones I've seen on Newegg).

The "CPU upgrades and SATA3 peripherals or SSD upgrades or CF" you speak of have been available on AM3 boards for a long time (e.g. my current MOBO). I don't see how this makes an AM3+ 880 board a better buy.
Lol, I didn't buy into it at all, I simply took quotes from it. Not alot comes up when you Google "Difference between AM3+ and AM3"
Other than what I already knew about AM3+, I thought I'd see if there were any other considerable differences, I suppose we'll only know when BD is actually released and tests are made.
I did start that phase with "apparently" afterall.

There's nothing wrong with the 8-series chipsets either, rids old stock, and gets full AM3+ boards sold pre-BD release due to hype and people wanting to upgrade 7-series boards or whatever.

There's not alot of AM3+ boards out currently, and as they're "next gen", it'd make sense they cost a bit more. There's no real substantial cost increase between the £90 880 AM3+ I suggested and an 880 AM3 of the same quality though. Yeah, you can get entry-level 890GX's for that price too, I know.

I'm also aware of how long SATA3 and USB3 have been out for, and how they're not solely exclusive to AM3+.

I was simply looking for a reasonably priced "full AM3+", good quality motherboard that'll last him a good few years and, should there be any difference in performance/attributes of the two sockets, he'll have full use of.
I'm not marketing AM3+, just thinking what's more cost-effective in the longrun that's without any limitation the sockets may or may not actually bring, should he pick up a cheap FX 4XXX or whatever next year or whenever.

Me personally, if I'm gonna upgrade, I wanna make sure it'll last. Luckily AMD allows us to retain last gen boards/chips and utilize them in the future.
I just wanted to make sure he would have a board that could make the most of whatever potential future chips may bring. There's not a huge difference between his Athlon and any other Phenom out there, bar L3, frequency and core count, afterall.

£88 for a 955, or £125/140 for a 1055T/1090T just doesn't seem worth it to me at this stage, when a newer architecture with more performance for sub £150 can be had just around the corner.

I do agree on the quality of MOSFET's, not just the phase layout. Very important factor to consider. The only reason I'm even considering another MSI motherboard is 'cos I've been using their motherboard's for such a long time, without any problems at all, and they've been seemingly sorting out their problem since the 890FXA-GD65.

However, Asus and Gigabyte are by far superior quality, when it comes to power delivery. The new Asus boards are swaying my decision to stick with MSI.
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You know, i think that's a mATX board too.

Remember that 8+2 Foxconn VRMs is not the same as ASUS or Gigabyte 8+2 VRM. Also remember that your CPU is only 95W stock. You can OC the crap out of it on many ASUS 4+1 unheatsinked boards. If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to steer you to better brands. It's ultimately up to you.
i know just its better quality than the board i have now im just trying to keep costs down but still get a good board and if i buy that i can get the extra ram to make a total cost of around £80

i just noticed your sig rig athlon II 840 lol they should have just sold that phenom as a athlon 655 if i remember there is the 645-650
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i know just its better quality than the board i have now im just trying to keep costs down but still get a good board and if i buy that i can get the extra ram to make a total cost of around £80

i just noticed your sig rig athlon II 840 lol they should have just sold that phenom as a athlon 655 if i remember there is the 645-650
i know the foxconn cinema II deluxe is not the best but its better than the one i have and its at a good price i just want a decent quality board thats not too expensive i do plan on keeping my athlon 2 i may upgrade to a hex core in a couple of months but then i wont be buying any new hardware for quite some time as im going to be saving up for a moped after i get this replacement mobo
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i know just its better quality than the board i have now im just trying to keep costs down but still get a good board and if i buy that i can get the extra ram to make a total cost of around £80

i just noticed your sig rig athlon II 840 lol they should have just sold that phenom as a athlon 655 if i remember there is the 645-650
Yea, it doesn't deserve to be called a Phenom. I actually got it with as a combo with my Asus 890GX board for $200 which was really sweet.

I don't want to see you posting this thread again in 6 months. That's why I suggest maybe spending more now to save money later. Just my 2cents. Obviously, you probably know the best route to go.
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Yea, it doesn't deserve to be called a Phenom. I actually got it with as a combo with my Asus 890GX board for $200 which was really sweet.

I don't want to see you posting this thread again in 6 months. That's why I suggest maybe spending more now to save money later. Just my 2cents. Obviously, you probably know the best route to go.
well I found the full ATX board its a Asrock board looks good and better power phase than my board

Thanks every one for your help and recommendations
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