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Wait what? You're that ignorant?

There are no LCD monitors higher than 1920x1080 that do 120hz. Their colors suck, since they are TN, they have a lot of ghosting, they have major input lag, they can't do above 120hz, and they are in every way possible beaten by high end CRT monitors. I don't even know how you could be that biased against CRT monitors. You must be extremely gullible to believe in the response time marketing and all that.

You think I would notice if LCD monitors were actually superior than CRT monitors, since my setup has 1 CRT and two LCDs. No. The CRT monitor beats both of them 10 - 0.


If you don't notice the ghosting on an LCD monitor, you are blind. If you do not notice the input lag, you don't play fast paced games, but something slow paced such as BC2. WAAAY too slow.

EDIT: Ahh these kids. They are so victim to marketing. They've been brainwashed to think that the newest is the bestest. They think that useless marketing gimmicks such as LED and response times and contrast actually matter. I feel sorry for 'em. Can't see things objectively.
Wow, that's cold. All of this is the equivalent is going up to someone in the street and punching them in the face. Of course, this is all coming out because you're on a keyboard. All manners are lost over the Internet, kind of like people with road rage who feel invincible in their wheeled tin cans. I pity how small you must feel to need to be so vocal.

If you're telling me there are simply no LCD/LED monitors with higher native resolutions than 1920x1080 that also do 120Hz refresh rates at those resolutions and you're indeed correct for every manufacturer and LCD/LED monitor size and model out there, then yes, I have been ignorant considering my lack of research into every single such product available on the planet. As for the colours being bad, I have no idea what you're talking about. LED monitors can have amazing colour contrast and really make everything stand out nicely and naturally (even if with some settings tweaking). As for the input lag, ghosting and your apparent need for extremely high refresh rate, I don't know if you have a headache-causing condition with low refresh rates but I find your needs unrealistically demanding and ridiculous.

I myself do not notice any input lag or ghosting on my fairly cheap (£160 including VAT and delivery!) Acer 24" LCD (not even LED) monitor. I play a lot of Battlefield Bad Company 2, yes, but I also play Section 8 Prejudice and Supreme Commander 2. From those three, I guess Battlefield Bad Company 2 is the more fast-paced and even that by your standards is slow. I can only guess that a more fast-paced game must be either a Call of Duty game or another similar twitch shooter such as Unreal Tournament 3 or Quake 3 / 4. I cannot think of anything more fast-paced and in those I just mentioned, there is no visible/noticeable input lag or ghosting on my monitor. So yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about or what it is your visual cortex is processing.

Electron guns are cool devices, but I'll leave it at that - there's no way in hell I'd replace an LCD/LED monitor with a fat-arse CRT monitor of death. There are no real benefits in my view and all I'd notice is a fat, ugly cuboid of plastic and glass pushing my desk away from the wall and also cracking my toughened glass desk as a whole, simply from the weight and pressure. The last CRT monitor I had suffered a Tae Kwon Do hand strike (I was an angry 15 year old back then - angry at the Worldcraft map editor for Half-Life), putting my hand through the glass and leaving a good scar for memories. I love how LCD/LED monitors are compact, very energy efficient and lightweight. They also break without causing personal injury, if the need ever comes up (again), of course.

Oh and mate, like I don't know anything about you, you don't know anything about me. I'm the last person to consider marketing a factor. Nothing pisses me off more than marketing and people in corrupt, obsessive profit-making business in general. As for having an objective mind, I'm a physicist - it comes with the career.
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FoV adjustment is not a hack because it is required for eyefinity compatibility(duh)

Doing it on the single screen may actually reduce your accuracy because your enemies become smaller. I would recommend it if you are playing on a small map and spammy weapons such as rocket launcher. If you are playing a game where you have to snipe someone 300 ft away you may benefit from reducing your fov.

As far as 120Hz lcd' viability in fast paced games is concerned having played Quake Live with 60Hz and 120Hz there is a world of difference. 120Hz is so much smoother and it actually helped me tremendously I was getting much more frags as apposed to 60Hz.
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I prefer lower FOV for some games. Easier to control spray with arm.
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Depends on monitor size and the distance you sit from the screen. Let me see if I can dig up the formula.
monitor is 23" resolution 1920x1080. i sit at arm length from it. thanks in advace
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monitor is 23" resolution 1920x1080. i sit at arm length from it. thanks in advace
Bah I couldn't find the calculator so I just used the built in one in iRacing. I got 51 degrees for your monitor using 24 inches as the viewing distance. Figure that should be pretty close.
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If you can change FOV in options in Crysis 2 its not a hack.
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Wait a minute, you use a CRT?
If so, what???
I've honestly not seen an LCD with visible input lag or ghosting, especially for gaming. When you say high-level play, I honestly don't know if you're taking gaming far too seriously. Today's LED screens with ultra-low response times and 120Hz really do leave CRTs completely and utterly behind. You can obviously get one that has a higher native resolution than 1920x1080, too.
Yep. I still prefer CRT for comp gaming. Call me crazy. 1024x768 120hz runs fine.
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Wow, that's cold. All of this is the equivalent is going up to someone in the street and punching them in the face. Of course, this is all coming out because you're on a keyboard. All manners are lost over the Internet, kind of like people with road rage who feel invincible in their wheeled tin cans. I pity how small you must feel to need to be so vocal.
Oh, forgive me. I'm not huge on manners, but I never mean to insult anyone.

Just ignore my tone and focus on the stuff I say.

But let's just say that your original tone of text (?) was so ignorant and rude that I didn't care to keep my response professional.

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If you're telling me there are simply no LCD/LED monitors with higher native resolutions than 1920x1080 that also do 120Hz refresh rates at those resolutions and you're indeed correct for every manufacturer and LCD/LED monitor size and model out there, then yes, I have been ignorant considering my lack of research into every single such product available on the planet. As for the colours being bad, I have no idea what you're talking about. LED monitors can have amazing colour contrast and really make everything stand out nicely and naturally (even if with some settings tweaking). As for the input lag, ghosting and your apparent need for extremely high refresh rate, I don't know if you have a headache-causing condition with low refresh rates but I find your needs unrealistically demanding and ridiculous.
These aren't my NEEDS. I just think that I want the best product I can afford. If I was offered this CRT and a LED 120hz for the same price, I would pick this CRT because for me, this CRT beats that LCD in every area I care about. It's not that I NEED all of it, it's that I WANT all of it. Sometimes I can get all of it, sometimes not. If I can't, it's unfortunate. But if I can, I would be a fool not to get what I want.

Oh, and my problem with you saying that there are higher than 1920x1080 with 120hz is not that you haven't researched into the subject. It's that you haven't, and then you say something that you are unsure of, but still claim it as fact. If you do not have the info, you can stay quiet about it. That's what I do. You don't see me in the PSU section or the water cooling section because I dont' know about those things, so I just stay quiet.

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I myself do not notice any input lag or ghosting on my fairly cheap (£160 including VAT and delivery!) Acer 24" LCD (not even LED) monitor. I play a lot of Battlefield Bad Company 2, yes, but I also play Section 8 Prejudice and Supreme Commander 2. From those three, I guess Battlefield Bad Company 2 is the more fast-paced and even that by your standards is slow. I can only guess that a more fast-paced game must be either a Call of Duty game or another similar twitch shooter such as Unreal Tournament 3 or Quake 3 / 4. I cannot think of anything more fast-paced and in those I just mentioned, there is no visible/noticeable input lag or ghosting on my monitor. So yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about or what it is your visual cortex is processing.
Yeah, call of duty 4, TF2, quake is what I play. Unreal is fast too.

You wouldn't really notice any input lag issues in BC2 that well, since the mouse movements are borked up in that game anyways, since it has mouse smoothing on by default, which is only disabled through a somewhat complex fix through the config files. I never got the fix to work.

But that's not the point here. My point is that the games you play should decide which kind of monitor and settings you most want. If you play BC2, a nice IPS panel with nice colours would fit the best. If you play COD or quake, a CRT would fit nicely, or a 120hz LCD if ya can't get CRT for some reason.

Ghosting exists on every single LCD out there. You might not notice it that much, but if you saw a proper good CRT display next to it, you would see it. Very clearly. All LCD monitors have poor image clarity when the image is moving. This is the result of ghosting.

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Electron guns are cool devices, but I'll leave it at that - there's no way in hell I'd replace an LCD/LED monitor with a fat-arse CRT monitor of death. There are no real benefits in my view and all I'd notice is a fat, ugly cuboid of plastic and glass pushing my desk away from the wall and also cracking my toughened glass desk as a whole, simply from the weight and pressure. The last CRT monitor I had suffered a Tae Kwon Do hand strike (I was an angry 15 year old back then - angry at the Worldcraft map editor for Half-Life), putting my hand through the glass and leaving a good scar for memories. I love how LCD/LED monitors are compact, very energy efficient and lightweight. They also break without causing personal injury, if the need ever comes up (again), of course.
Just because you prefer a slim and weak device over a big and ugly device that produces a much nicer picture doesn't mean everyone does.

In my opinion, the fat CRT is not that bad since it creates an image that looks very good. I vastly prefer this to an LCD as a main monitor. As I said, I have two LCD monitors the same height next to this thing on both sides, but I keep this as my main monitor, since it's so much nicer. Besides, this CRT doesn't look half bad. It's not beige, it's metallic gray, and has some aesthetic design.

It's impossible for me to manuver myself into seeing the fat backside of the monitor, since I've positioned the thing that way.

Also, the resolution this thing provides is just amazing. I just couldn't go back to 1080 height anymore. It's too limiting.

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Oh and mate, like I don't know anything about you, you don't know anything about me. I'm the last person to consider marketing a factor. Nothing pisses me off more than marketing and people in corrupt, obsessive profit-making business in general. As for having an objective mind, I'm a physicist - it comes with the career.
Then use the skills you have on these forums. Stop focusing on the bickering and start focusing on the discussion.



(assumption below)
Basically your whole point is resting on something. The fact that you have a certain mental image of CRT monitors in your mind, and that image is not from the highest end CRT monitors like mine, but the slightly lower end to the lowest end monitors, which were absolute crap, and that mental image is what you use to argue against CRT monitors. No. There are a few of these that are absolute beaty, like mine.

Just like LCD monitors. You can't generalize them all up in many ways, although all of them have the same issues to a certain degree, while CRT monitors ranged wildly on the issues they had. Some people remember CRT monitors as blurry because they used a crap shadow mask one. This thing is perfectly clear. Some people remember CRT monitors as having crap colours. This thing, properly calibrated (something I've not had the time to do yet) beats the colors of any LCD out there. The list goes on and on. The tech had gone far enough to rid these things of most of the issues, while LCD monitors are relatively new and still have plenty of issues, such as low resolutions per image size.


Also, while my point has valid reasons behind it, your point is pretty much the baseless bias against CRT monitors that most people these days have. You should not frown upon CRT monitors immediately because you have the mental image that they're crap. In the high end section, they're big. And that's the only downside.



From what I see, it should boil down to personal preference. Should the monitor look good physically or should the image on the monitor look good? Of course, with IPS moniitors you can get both, but you can't get high hz with those, so they should not be included in the high hz discussion here.
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But why is everyone saying CRT monitors actually are better than LCD's? Isn't LCD higher resolution and crisper than a older monitor?
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But why is everyone saying CRT monitors actually are better than LCD's? Isn't LCD higher resolution and crisper than a older monitor?
Not really. THe only LCD monitors with higher resolutions are 1300 dollars or more, and CRTs have better color, no input lag, no movement blurryness, can achieve higher hz at lower ress, but still as good hz on the same resolutions.


I got my 2048x1536 @ 85hz screen for 35€. Can do 110hz at 1600x1200, which looks smoother than any LCD because there is no motion blurryness. (due to the lack of ghosting)

If you've never used a good CRT, you just don't know. These things can beat the best LCDs on multiple areas of performance.
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