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Hello all,

I'm planning to build my first gaming rig when the amd bulldozers are released (or a month later, price drop).

I'm deciding between an Gigabyte 6950 reference design card(or any other reference design, whatever is cheaper and unlockable) or an msi 6950 twin frozr II. Both are priced equally here in the netherlands, but i was wondering with what you could get the best results with:

a) A reference design 6950, shader unlock and oc to its max (920-ish?)

b) A msi 6950 twin frozr II (not-unlockable) and overclock the **** out of it: i've seen people reporting stability of up to 1ghz, can anyone please confirm this?

A twin frozr III is also considerable, as i've read that its unlockable, but it doesnt have a bios swith. can anyone confirm this? Cuz im pretty comfortable unlocking it with a bios switch, but without it i wont try it, as its my very first custom gaming rig.

Also, can the TFIII OC higher then the TFII, if so, how much?

And now for my last question: The reference design exhausts 100% of the hot air directly out of the case, the TFII doesn't. will this have a major effect on CPU cooling? As i'm planning to overclock the **** out of my bulldozer tooXD

I hope you can give your view on this. I've read similar posts to this but i couldnt find the answer.

ps: prices in my country are like this: http://www.alternate.nl/html/summary...2=516&cat3=000 its in dutch, but it has a nice graph, and you can read numbers, right?
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Originally Posted by Arthedes View Post
Hello all,

I'm planning to build my first gaming rig when the amd bulldozers are released (or a month later, price drop).

I'm deciding between an Gigabyte 6950 reference design card(or any other reference design, whatever is cheaper and unlockable) or an msi 6950 twin frozr II. Both are priced equally here in the netherlands, but i was wondering with what you could get the best results with:

a) A reference design 6950, shader unlock and oc to its max (920-ish?)

b) A msi 6950 twin frozr II (not-unlockable) and overclock the **** out of it: i've seen people reporting stability of up to 1ghz, can anyone please confirm this?

A twin frozr III is also considerable, as i've read that its unlockable, but it doesnt have a bios swith. can anyone confirm this? Cuz im pretty comfortable unlocking it with a bios switch, but without it i wont try it, as its my very first custom gaming rig.

Also, can the TFIII OC higher then the TFII, if so, how much?

And now for my last question: The reference design exhausts 100% of the hot air directly out of the case, the TFII doesn't. will this have a major effect on CPU cooling? As i'm planning to overclock the **** out of my bulldozer tooXD

I hope you can give your view on this. I've read similar posts to this but i couldnt find the answer.

ps: prices in my country are like this: http://www.alternate.nl/html/summary...2=516&cat3=000 its in dutch, but it has a nice graph, and you can read numbers, right?

TwinFrozr III have dual-bios and bios-switch !
read my thread
http://www.overclock.net/amd-ati/101...ios-fan-4.html
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Between Twin Froz II and reference design, definitely reference design - no question asked. The unlock potential outperforms the seemingly better cooling.
Between Twin Froz III and reference design, in my mind it will be a toss up. I do not think you can go wrong with either. Most folks probably will go with Twin Froz III (assuming it has 99% unlock chance) because of the fancy cooling and I think it does run quieter. But I on the other hand like reference cooling as it dumps all heat OUTSIDE the case.

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And now for my last question: The reference design exhausts 100% of the hot air directly out of the case, the TFII doesn't. will this have a major effect on CPU cooling? As i'm planning to overclock the **** out of my bulldozer tooXD
Yes, Twin Froz design does dump the hot air inside. If you are going to run just a single card, the ambient inside your case will be higher but I do not think so by enough to really worry about it. If you are going crossfire, then I do not think I will like both cards dumping heat inside the case.
Edited by Awaz - 5/20/11 at 6:47am
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post #4 of 36
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thanks all,

so this means the unlock+OC to 920mhz-ish on reference card outweighs a 1ghz OC on TFII?
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Yes. Also, with a mild voltage bump I can clock my 6950's to 1GHz/1450Mhz
    
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post #6 of 36
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wont the temps be very high then?

also, is this a reference design card? and is the cooler any better then the original?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-530-_-Product

EDIT: and lets say i get a card with an original cooler, what sticker should i choose? gigabyte, sapphire, his, fxf, msi... I've read on the techpowerup forum that 100% of the gigabytes unlocked, or doesn't it really matter, just personal taste/warranty?
Edited by Arthedes - 5/20/11 at 8:57am
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^^Not reference.

Initial release reference designs are extinct now, or about to be. The fat lady is getting read to go on stage. Pls exit stage left before...
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Originally Posted by Arthedes View Post
Hello all,

I'm planning to build my first gaming rig when the amd bulldozers are released (or a month later, price drop).

I'm deciding between an Gigabyte 6950 reference design card(or any other reference design, whatever is cheaper and unlockable) or an msi 6950 twin frozr II. Both are priced equally here in the netherlands, but i was wondering with what you could get the best results with:

a) A reference design 6950, shader unlock and oc to its max (920-ish?)

b) A msi 6950 twin frozr II (not-unlockable) and overclock the **** out of it: i've seen people reporting stability of up to 1ghz, can anyone please confirm this?

A twin frozr III is also considerable, as i've read that its unlockable, but it doesnt have a bios swith. can anyone confirm this? Cuz im pretty comfortable unlocking it with a bios switch, but without it i wont try it, as its my very first custom gaming rig.

Also, can the TFIII OC higher then the TFII, if so, how much?

And now for my last question: The reference design exhausts 100% of the hot air directly out of the case, the TFII doesn't. will this have a major effect on CPU cooling? As i'm planning to overclock the **** out of my bulldozer tooXD

I hope you can give your view on this. I've read similar posts to this but i couldnt find the answer.

ps: prices in my country are like this: http://www.alternate.nl/html/summary...2=516&cat3=000 its in dutch, but it has a nice graph, and you can read numbers, right?

Get a reference card if you can dude.. I just ordered one from Newegg.com here in the States. I searched for weeks because they are so hard to find now. I believe MSI is one of the only manufactures that have any stock left. Search this model: MSI R6950-2PM2D2GD5 I dont know if Newegg has international shipping but I would check into it if I were you.

If you manage to get you hands on one I think you'd be much happier. You'll get close with strait overclocking on the TFII & TFIII but neither of them are able to unlock shaders. I work in a PC repair shop and have tired with both cards several times, its a no go.
Edited by Poogobbler - 6/19/11 at 9:30am
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Get a reference card if you can dude.. I just ordered one from Newegg.com here in the States. I searched for weeks because they are so hard to find now. I believe MSI is one of the only manufactures that have any stock left. Search this model: MSI R6950-2PM2D2GD5 I dont know if Newegg has international shipping but I would check into it if I were you.

If you manage to get you hands on one I think you'd be much happier. You'll get close with strait overclocking on the TFII & TFIII but neither of them are able to unlock shaders. I work in a PC repair shop and have tired with both cards several times, its a no go.
this. i love xfx, as they've always treated me right and i didn't have any issues w/ rma, and looked everywhere for reference models and all i could find were way overpriced (375-450$) cards on amazon, so i was forced to buy 2 MSI versions from newegg. (btw as i was checking out they sold out of HIS). they're unlocked and running like champs @ 950/1325

actually, if i had extra money laying around i would buy 4 more for another rig i'm planning to build. i have no idea what i'm going to use for that one, maybe i'll go w/ the TFIII when they all sell out.
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Good luck, reference cards are rather hard to find at this time. But of course you can get lucky, try having a look everywhere possible and you might end up getting one.

They are not entirely extinct as my webstore had a few HIS cards in stock not too long ago. They go out of stock extremely fast though, so be quick about it, might not be there the next day.

Worth mentioning that there has been reports on this PowerColor card unlocking http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-393-_-Product and the TF III http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-575-_-Product

But nothing is guaranteed.
Edited by Stefy - 6/19/11 at 12:51pm
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