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I ran my Aria without a data plan for several months.
You can do it sure accidentally or intentionally. But it is against federal law.
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post #32 of 111
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You can do it sure accidentally or intentionally. But it is against federal law.
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion...

No federal law states whether or not you have to have a data plan, at least in the United States.

EDIT:
Unless you are talking about a contract you signed with the carrier.
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post #33 of 111
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Until AT&T who bought them changes the rules.
I'm hoping that it will get grandfathered in, if not my contract will be up by then anyway.
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I have no idea how you came to that conclusion...

No federal law states whether or not you have to have a data plan, at least in the United States.
There's only one real way to use a smartphone without a data plan/contract (presuming your telecom does not allow it). And that one method is blatantly against federal law and is punishable with jail time.
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post #35 of 111
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Fact is, I knew the guy was being on the level. I couldn't believe it though beforehand as it seems so asinine.

The way phones are these days there is no way to legally activate a Droid (or other smartphone really) without a data plan being attached to it on Sprint or most of the other major telcos within my knowledge. That is how the telecom-side software is written.
is the $100/month plan the only plan that Sprint offers? I never even looked into Sprint since their coverage is very limited in my area and the areas I frequently travel to. There is a store for them in my town though...maybe I should check it out just for curiosity's sake. I just got the cheapest plan I could get from AT&T and they were not happy about it.
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Hey guys, we heard you hate paying for unlimited data, so we cut your data in half and charged you double. Happy now?

Eff them.
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is the $100/month plan the only plan that Sprint offers? I never even looked into Sprint since their coverage is very limited in my area and the areas I frequently travel to. There is a store for them in my town though...maybe I should check it out just for curiosity's sake. I just got the cheapest plan I could get from AT&T and they were not happy about it.
Sprint is all or nothing with data. They used to do tiers (back before Droid etc). Now it is you either have data @$100/month or you don't.
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I'm surprised people are still signing contracts for a phone. Boost Mobile(Sprint) does everything these other companies do and I only pay $45/mo. unlimited everything. I guess people are too ashamed to show their friends and co-workers a Boost Phone. I don't care what others think, when they start paying my phone bill then I consider their opinion. I have a Motorola i1 with Android and it just as good as other mid-range smartphones out there.
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There's only one real way to use a smartphone without a data plan/contract (presuming your telecom does not allow it). And that one method is blatantly against federal law and is punishable with jail time.
Care to elaborate?

I see no issue using a smart phone without a data plan if you are just using WiFi when you need internet. There are no laws being broken.

That's like saying your 3G enabled laptop is required to have a dataplan even though you have WiFi in your house.
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Care to elaborate?

I see no issue using a smart phone without a data plan if you are just using WiFi when you need internet. There are no laws being broken.

That's like saying your 3G enabled laptop is required to have a dataplan even though you have WiFi in your house.
To activate a smartphone without a data plan involves ESN cloning. This is very illegal ...so much so that I'll be surprised if OCN lets this post stay on their forums.

From the FCC's website:

Quote:
Fraud
Cellular fraud is defined as the unauthorized use, tampering, or manipulation of a cellular phone or service. Cellular industry estimates indicate that carriers lose more than $150 million per year to cellular fraud, with the principal cause being subscription fraud. Subscriber fraud occurs when a subscriber signs up for service with fraudulently obtained customer information or false identification.

In the past, cloning of cellular phones was a major concern. A cloned cellular telephone is one that has been reprogrammed to transmit the electronic serial number (ESN) and telephone number (MIN) belonging to another (legitimate) cellular telephone. Unscrupulous persons obtain valid ESN/MIN combinations by illegally monitoring the transmissions from the cellular telephones of legitimate subscribers. Each cellular telephone is supposed to have a unique factory-set ESN. After cloning, however, because both cellular telephones then have the same ESN/MIN combination, cellular systems cannot distinguish the cloned cellular telephone from the legitimate one.


In an Order, the Commission adopted a rule (22.919) requiring that all cellular telephones for which type acceptance is sought after January 1, 1995 must be designed such that the factory set ESN can not be reprogrammed. At the same time, the Commission stated that it considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software.

The cellular equipment manufacturing industry has deployed authentication systems that have proven to be a very effective countermeasure to cloning. Authentication supplements the use of the ESN and MIN with a changing encrypted code that can not be obtained by off-the-air monitoring.

-FCC Website

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