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Okay, I understand that ESN cloning would be illegal.

However, I literally called AT&T, and asked them to remove the data plan from my phone. They said okay, and within the minute, I no longer had internet without WiFi...

I don't see why you have to clone the ESN to remove a package from your phone line. The iPhone is the only phone I know where AT&T literally requires a data plan for it's use on their network.
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Okay, I understand that ESN cloning would be illegal.

However, I literally called AT&T, and asked them to remove the data plan from my phone. They said okay, and within the minute, I no longer had internet without WiFi...

I don't see why you have to clone the ESN to remove a package from your phone line. The iPhone is the only phone I know where AT&T literally requires a data plan for it's use on their network.
I'm surprised AT&T would do that TBH...that is about the only way though is if the carrier willingly kills the data plan after you buy it.
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Q1 2009 got my iphone 3g (lol apple), jail'd it and didn't get a gheyta plan, wifi is just fine and my life isn't that important to use social networking
but I'm not going to be a gheyta plan sheep like the rest of the herd, but maybe i am a very terrible bad man and should be shawt in hed :O
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Yeah you only need the data plan to activate the phone. Once you have it running it can be killed and you will be fine. However, if you ever had it serviced to where it needed to be completely reset up you might need the data plan again. I don't know if a factory reset on an iPhone would qualify for that or not.
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This would be the reason I picked up the Thunderbolt, so I get unlimited LTE.
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In Canada we pay $30 for 1GB of data, that's it. No complaining.
In Soviet Russia, unlimited data plan kill you!
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I wonder whats going to happen when watching netflix via your phone becomes more mainstream and people freak after they've watched a movie or two and then they've run out of data for the month.
    
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I am fine as long as they do not force me to downgrade my unlimited plan to some 2gb plan.
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Did you even read the title, much less the article?
LOL

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I simply don't understand why ANY unlimited plan (talk for example) is so expensive. Surely it costs them pennies per person a month in bandwidth, yet they're still using out dated pricing...
Agreed, though I would like to think some of the money is going to infrastructure improvement/expansion (though I don't think it is because AT&T has been posting record profits since something like 2008, yet their network has hardly changed at all).

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Screw that. Go Virgin Mobile. Decent phones with unlimited dats for 1/2 the monthly cost.
Yep, that's what I did. Got tired of the high cost of just voice+text with AT&T (nearly $50/mo after fees and taxes), and it's only $25/mo with unlimited data+texts with VM, and I couldn't be happier.

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I couldn't be happier +1


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Until AT&T who bought them changes the rules.
The sale has yet to be approved by the FCC--though I assume since AT&T probably keeps some of the members in their pocket, it will be only time...

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You can do it sure accidentally or intentionally. But it is against federal law.
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There's only one real way to use a smartphone without a data plan/contract (presuming your telecom does not allow it). And that one method is blatantly against federal law and is punishable with jail time.
It is not against federal law to use a smartphone without a data plan. It just so happens that every major cell phone service provider states in their contract terms that data access is "essential to the intended use of the device," and hence they can force you to take a data plan when you activate a cell phone on their network--and if you decided to circumvent their activation procedures, THEN that's illegal. But it is not illegal to use a smartphone without a data plan, only against the service provider's TOS.

Ugh, I'm so disgusted by that requirement by service providers. Smartphones do not need constant data access, I don't care what service providers say...

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I'm surprised people are still signing contracts for a phone. Boost Mobile(Sprint) does everything these other companies do and I only pay $45/mo. unlimited everything. I guess people are too ashamed to show their friends and co-workers a Boost Phone. I don't care what others think, when they start paying my phone bill then I consider their opinion. I have a Motorola i1 with Android and it just as good as other mid-range smartphones out there.
People are mindless sheep these days when it comes to their precious cell phones. Plus, once you get used to your provider, you'll probably stick with them vs. trying to go to someone else and you essentially become the lobster in a pot of water, with the water temperature slowly being increased over time until you're cooked. I'm just waiting for people to wake up and realize that they're paying probably triple what they used to pay 5 years ago, and the tech really isn't all that much better or different. Providers just realized that they can get away with this now that people have become so dependent on having a perpetual connection to the web, despite the fact that it's hardly necessary.

People really need to start protesting with their money, and ditching providers that are clearly doing nothing but extorting more money from customers just because they can. And it's clear that the FCC has no interest in dictating terms of what is right for companies to be able to do in terms of mandatory services.

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Yeah you only need the data plan to activate the phone. Once you have it running it can be killed and you will be fine. However, if you ever had it serviced to where it needed to be completely reset up you might need the data plan again. I don't know if a factory reset on an iPhone would qualify for that or not.
Only that companies (like AT&T, for example), won't do this any longer--they will not remove a data plan from any account that has a so-called "smartphone" currently being used with it. And they've begun polling IMEI numbers and correlating them to hardware and imposing automatic data plans on accounts for people with smartphones, despite the fact that the user has never used nor "needed" data on their account. I honestly can't see how something like that is legal.

I get annoyed that the Sprint network (I switched to virgin mobile) isn't AS expansive as the AT&T network, but TBH, 99% of the places I go has service. I'd love to see Sprint expand their network coverage even more, but I wouldn't want them to do it at the expense of removing services and/or charging more.

I still can't fathom why people are signing up for cell phone services that require 1 or 2 year contracts.
    
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Only that companies (like AT&T, for example), won't do this any longer--they will not remove a data plan from any account that has a so-called "smartphone" currently being used with it. And they've begun polling IMEI numbers and correlating them to hardware and imposing automatic data plans on accounts for people with smartphones, despite the fact that the user has never used nor "needed" data on their account. I honestly can't see how something like that is legal.
I know they do this for the iPhone, however I'm not sure about other phones.

Another personal experience: I had a Blackberry Curve that initially had no data plan, then had a standard smartphone plan, then finally (when prices came down) I had them add the Blackberry plan.

But who knows, maybe I got lucky and had some very cool reps help me out on the phone.
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Verizon has terrible service and the dumbest made up charges you could imagine, but thier signal strength is great and frankly, thats all I care about.

I don't like small screens so I am biased against smartphones.
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