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If it were so noticeable, then BFBC2 should show it quite well, ya think? I don't play Quake/CS type games, so no, haven't tried it in one of those.
BC2 has mouse issues, which make the mouse feel sluggish anyhow. That's why I don't consider it a viable test subject.

It's also a slow game, where you don't notice the lag so much.

I'm not saying the lag is major. I'm just saying it's there alright, and noticeable under the right circumstances. And then it gets very annoying.
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BC2 isnt really fast and flicky enough tbh.
Then why does V-sync cause quite noticeable lag on my 3.6ghz E5200/5770 PC, but not this one?

Same ? to you, De-Zant.

Also, my mouse doesn't feel sluggish at all on BFBC2. At least, not on this machine.
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Then why does V-sync cause quite noticeable lag on my 3.6ghz E5200/5770 PC, but not this one?
Because vsync does get worse on low FPS. But it also limits the frames to the monitors refresh rate. That means that on 60hz, the input lag is worse than on 120hz vsync.


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Then why does V-sync cause quite noticeable lag on my 3.6ghz E5200/5770 PC, but not this one?

Same ? to you, De-Zant.

Also, my mouse doesn't feel sluggish at all on BFBC2. At least, not on this machine.
That's because you are accustomed to it. Unless you have done the mouse fix in BC2, you have mouse issues there. Very subtle, but very annoying for those of us who care.
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Because vsync does get worse on low FPS. But it also limits the frames to the monitors refresh rate. That means that on 60hz, the input lag is worse than on 120hz vsync.
So.. in the end you're agreeing with me. If you can maintain 60+ fps, v-sync causes no noticeable lag, and if you can't, then it does.

If it were just me being accustomed to it, I wouldn't notice the difference between the 2 machines. I'm sorry - that argument doesn't hold water.
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thats because you've always played BC2 like that, sort of thing, im nto blaming you, im merely using you as reference. so youre used to it. where as in CSS without vsync it feels fine, but withit on you will notice. as theres a BIG change
     
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So.. in the end you're agreeing with me. If you can maintain 60+ fps, v-sync causes no noticeable lag, and if you can't, then it does.
It does create input lag on 60hz as well, just not as much. It's much worse on 30FPS or so

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If it were just me being accustomed to it, I wouldn't notice the difference between the 2 machines. I'm sorry - that argument doesn't hold water.
Yeah, my argument DOES hold water. The fact that the input lag has become too small for you to notice in your BC2, which is a slow game with mouse issues, doesn't mean that it's completely gone. It's still there, and apparent in faster games that accept pure mouse input and don't process it.
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my machine is capable of 60fps in anything. i notice lag in games when i put vsync on @60hz. if its off and i have over 60 i notice nothing. theres an article on it somewhere. will find it.
     
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thats because you've always played BC2 like that, sort of thing, im nto blaming you, im merely using you as reference. so youre used to it. where as in CSS without vsync it feels fine, but withit on you will notice. as theres a BIG change
No problem there, Sircles, I'm just not into super-twitchy games.

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Yeah, my argument DOES hold water. The fact that the input lag has become too small for you to notice in your BC2, which is a slow game with mouse issues, doesn't mean that it's completely gone. It's still there, and apparent in faster games that accept pure mouse input and don't process it.
No, it doesn't. You're saying I can't notice the lag on one machine because I've become accustomed to it, so why can I notice it on the other? If the mouse "bug" were the only issue at hand, it would be present on both PCs (especially since I'm using the exact same mouse on both.)

Both of you are also making the assumption that BFBC2 is the only game I notice zero added input lag from V-Sync.

We will have to agree to disagree. I'm 100% positive there is no added and noticeable lag with V-Sync on my machine, you can continue to assume otherwise.
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No problem there, Sircles, I'm just not into super-twitchy games.



No, it doesn't. You're saying I can't notice the lag on one machine because I've become accustomed to it, so why can I notice it on the other? If the mouse "bug" were the only issue at hand, it would be present on both PCs (especially since I'm using the exact same mouse on both.)

Both of you are also making the assumption that BFBC2 is the only game I notice zero added input lag from V-Sync.

We will have to agree to disagree. I'm 100% positive there is no added and noticeable lag with V-Sync on my machine, you can continue to assume otherwise.
on your machine sure (Y) fair play.
     
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No, it doesn't. You're saying I can't notice the lag on one machine because I've become accustomed to it, so why can I notice it on the other? If the mouse "bug" were the only issue at hand, it would be present on both PCs (especially since I'm using the exact same mouse on both.)

Both of you are also making the assumption that BFBC2 is the only game I notice zero added input lag from V-Sync.

We will have to agree to disagree. I'm 100% positive there is no added and noticeable lag with V-Sync on my machine, you can continue to assume otherwise.
And you keep misunderstanding me.

I'm not saying that there isn't a MAJOR difference between the lag vsync causes on the two machines. I'm just saying that it still exists on 60hz even if you get 60FPS, it's just very subtle and usually not noticiable in games like BC2, which are slow.

And I'm not saying the mouse issue is the only thing making you not notice it. It's just a small factor there. Mouse lag is usually noticed from a sluggish mouse, but since the BC2 mouse is already sluggish, it can be more difficult, although I do not believe impossible.

As sircles said, it is more noticeable in faster games. Yet, not really that obvious.
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