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Hey, Manyak, Michael Strahan called, he wants his gaps back!!

Also, your little statement at the end there about three CRTs (I don't care how "high-end" they might be), is so much fail, I threw up a little bit in my mouth and killed a whole family of bunny rabbits.

LCDs are slimmer, sexier, produce less heat, draw less power, AND LOOK FRIGGIN' FRICK' FRICKING BETTER THAN ANY CRT THAT ANYONE....ANY-FRIGGIN'-ONE--CAN PRODUCE!!!

...especially for Eyefinity/Surround.
In actual usage, FW900's and U3011's have approximately the same power consumption of around 110W +/- a bit. But if you want to go by specs, the FW900 is rated at 170W max, and the U3011 is rated at 250W max. So much for your theory of higher heat and power draw.

Besides... I buy monitors to look at the image they produce, not for the bezel color to match my curtains. And quite frankly, LCDs fail at games. They induce motion blur, display lag, and can only be run at a single resolution if you want it to look even halfway decent (so if your PC can't keep up you're screwed). Plus, unless you have one of the best LCDs on the market you're ASKING for black/white crushing.


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DAT BEZEL.

Looks horrible for Eyefinity, BTW.
Yeah it was pretty annoying, but the motion blur on LCDs really gets to me. It's been a year since I had to give them up for LCDs (long story), and it's been a year since I've played games at my desk. I now use my HTPC for that, on a Plasma TV.


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LCDs are generally sharper and have more clarity, especially for text. I prefer CRTs, and the sharpness of an LCD can make a CRT owner envious even if they don't admit it. They're also smaller and lighter, and do use less power (though it's probably not quite as much less as you're thinking). They have no geometry issues.
If your CRT is noticeably blurrier than an LCD, then you have one of four possible problems:

1) Your CRT has a shadow mask, not an aperture grille
2) The resolution you picked is higher than the shadow mask/aperture grille allows the monitor to fully resolve (think of it kind of like trying to run 1920x1200 on a 1680x1050 monitor, just not to that extreme)
3) The monitor prefers using a different refresh rate at it's given resolution
4) Your CRT needs a focus calibration

Either way, with a properly set and calibrated CRT, you shouldn't be able to see it blurrier than an LCD next to it. If you want to compare the technologies in general then yes it's possible to make super-sharp LCDs with tiny dot pitches (iPhone4, Vaio P, etc), but at normal PC sizes and resolutions CRTs are equal in sharpness, sometimes even better (sometimes with LCDs the spacing between the subpixels is large enough that you can actually see the grid, which counter-balances the sharpness).

Edit: But yes, owning a CRT these days means that you pretty much need to know how to calibrate it yourself. Not just the geometry, but things like the static convergence, dynamic convergence, focus, gun output, white point/black point balance, purity, and so on. Unfortunately, these things aren't simple OSD adjustments, and usually require you opening up the monitor to get at the controls.
Edited by Manyak - 5/24/11 at 4:15am
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I loved my CRT! First FPS I ever played was Half Life 2 (Yea I know- I started gaming in high school) on a CRT. At night... The black being pitch black really added to the gloomy atmosphere...

My CRT was a 17" (or so.. dont quite remember) Aperture grill, flat screen, 75 Hz at 1600x1200. (120Hz at lower resolutions) I loved that thing!

Then I went to an LCD for college. I recently upgraded to an IPS panel, and now it is finally approaching the visual quality of that old 50 Lb CRT...


But LCD's are cheaper if you pay utilities.
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In actual usage, FW900's and U3011's have approximately the same power consumption of around 110W +/- a bit. But if you want to go by specs, the FW900 is rated at 170W max, and the U3011 is rated at 250W max. So much for your theory of higher heat and power draw.

Besides... I buy monitors to look at the image they produce, not for the bezel color to match my curtains. And quite frankly, LCDs fail at games. They induce motion blur, display lag, and can only be run at a single resolution if you want it to look even halfway decent (so if your PC can't keep up you're screwed). Plus, unless you have one of the best LCDs on the market you're ASKING for black/white crushing.
I do agree with you on most points here, Many. Mostly on the statements about image quality, lack of motion blur, etc. However, for an Eyefinity/Surround setup, LCDs are the way to go. Ain't no doubt about it. Why? Because of the smaller footprint, smaller bezel gaps, and less power consumption (when not using 30" Deep Color LCDs).
    
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haters gonna hate....my work \\pc uses 3x lcds i despise them, thier too dim for me

however my LEDs at home are actually bright but not blinding, and the picture quality is there.

and when i say haters gonna hate i mean... i still set up for my dad, not more than a week ago, on old dimming lcds from 2003, eyefinity, all 3 screens in 1280x1024 *shivers* and so dim i could barely make them out with the lights off at night, even with brightness and contrast cranked up.

but no, dad wont give up his KDS monitors, he still uses 2 old 20" "visual sensation" model crts from them on his work pc.

my only vivid memories of my crts, were half life 1 at 1024x768 (high tech way back when)

and cannon fodder at 640x480 in dos mode

that and the fact, that like old tube tvs

you turned the thing on, and it took two minutes for the thing to heat up and show a picture.

that and it always went *click* zzzzzzzzzzzzzhhhhhhooooommmmmm when you turned it on.

i said my old P II 200mhz with a 33mhz turbo button and MMX when it first came out was godly.

its still alive...and still plays half life 1 at 60fps+ on high settings on my voodoo 3. so ha. lol

it and its grindy old western digital 6gb caviar drive. that always went wheeeeeeeeeee click-click click-click when you started the pc up.
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If your CRT is noticeably blurrier than an LCD, then you have one of four possible problems:

1) Your CRT has a shadow mask, not an aperture grille
2) The resolution you picked is higher than the shadow mask/aperture grille allows the monitor to fully resolve (think of it kind of like trying to run 1920x1200 on a 1680x1050 monitor, just not to that extreme)
3) The monitor prefers using a different refresh rate at it's given resolution
4) Your CRT needs a focus calibration
I'm not really speaking of outright blur overall, but for example, on the edge of text, I imagine very, very few CRTs (especially these days where they're all mostly worn/used) will have the sharpness of an LCD. It's truly the one area CRT is at a disadvantage in general.

It is an aperture grille, not a shadow mask. Resolution/refresh rate don't really effect it much. It might not be calibrated "right", but I went into the OSD and played with convergence, and found where it was auto-setting it was best. Maybe it's just getting older (which would make me sad).
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go for the crts, I have offered to trade my 24" 1080P monitor for my dad's 17" 1600X1200 gateway crt, he just flatly refused, even though he runs the res at 1020X728 iirc!
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But LCD's are cheaper if you pay utilities.
Some things are worth the expense. I'll keep my CRT and pay the power bill.
     
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Only bad thing about CRTs are the space requirments and the extra strain on the eyes compared to newer screens but otherwise why not get them?!


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CRTs are for people who play PC games. LCDs are for people who like the idea of PC games but just wanna hang out online researching more crap to buy.

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