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[solved] HDD or Mobo problem?

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About a month ago I bought a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB drive to use as a storage drive (my primary drive is a WD Caviar Black 500GB) When I first put it in, after a while, I noticed the drive wasn't fully spinning up. It felt like the motor was spinning and stopping, spinning and stopping rhythmically every second (you could feel the case vibrating off and on) The drive formatted fine, Windows shows it, I can use it, but I worried about its throughput, as I use it to record Fraps videos to. I tried different SATA power and data cables, and different ports on the motherboard, and the problem didn't go away, so I RMA'd it through Newegg.

Today I got the replacement drive and I installed it... to find out I have the same problem. Again, I tried different cabling configurations, but still the "on and off" vibrations continued. So I tried unplugging my main drive and going into the BIOS with just the Spinpoint plugged in.... and no vibrating. Obviously with just the Caviar Black plugged in it wasn't causing any problems. So it appears that any time both drives are plugged into the mobo one of them (I'm 95% sure it's the Spinpoint) doesn't want to spin up fully. I've tried all possible SATA port configurations, including using the Marvell controller's ports. I'm running in AHCI mode and I've updated the Intel Rapid Storage drivers

So, there some driver problems, is it time to contact ASUS for a new motherboard (again) or did I just get two bad hard drives? I don't have any other spare motherboards and/or hard drives to plug in to help isolate the problem.

Edit: Seems that having both drives connected to power but only one with the data cable plugged in has the same thing happen
Edited by Adappy - 5/21/11 at 2:26pm
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Edit: Seems that having both drives connected to power but only one with the data cable plugged in has the same thing happen
This exactly what I wanted to ask

When you say exactly the same thing, I suppose it's the spin up/down. In this case it's very likely a PSU problem, not anything related to the HDDs or the motherboard since it does the same with the HDDs plugged in the SATA ports or not. If you tried many cable combinations it means the PSU for some reason (EMI probably) simply can't tun these 2 HDDs together. I suggest putting them on separate phases if possible, then contact the PSU RMA.

There is another possibility, for this to be related to poor grounding if you have the HDDs suspended in some noise-reducing contraption, but this is a marginal possibility.
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Starting to seem like it. Did some S.M.A.R.T. checks on both my drives, and HDTune Pro's trial version would give errors on both drives on one refresh, then say they're okay the rest of the time.... while CrystalDiskInfo shows no problems with either drive.

It'll be a pain but I do have a spare PSU lying around, may be able to test it (wonder if I could just try plugging it into the new HDD, and leave everything else plugged in)
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If you could power the secondary HDD with another PSU it would be ideal as it would be certain the HDD's wouldn't send EMI from one to the other.
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This dose have the making of a psu issue but, just a shot in the dark, in control panel - power options - advanced power options, what is the hdd set to? Is it set to power down after so much time has elapsed? Preformance, power saving?
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post #6 of 6
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Turns out it's nothing wrong, it's just a sympathetic vibration issue between my main drive and my secondary drive. The vibrations I was feeling were the pulses generated by two sources being slightly out of sync (similar to two instruments playing the same note but slightly out of tune)

I asked my dad what he thought about it and he said it felt similar to a twin engine plane's props being slightly out of sync. So I took one drive out of my case, rested it on the box it came in, plugged it in, and turned the computer on... no vibrations from either drive.

Edit: I moved the drives farther apart (they were in the bays right next to each other) and it's not nearly as noticable
Edited by Adappy - 5/21/11 at 3:02pm
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