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EDIT: FAIL. You edited the chart. Whatever
Ninja edit owned you.
(and my own source owned me)


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Originally Posted by geoxile View Post
Wow, was it really necessary to edit it out besides to save face?
Actually, I just edited out because two sources were conflicting. Naturally, I'll analyse them each and determine which one is more reliable. Until then, I decided to revert my post to its original state.

EDIT:

In fact, the situation is even more complicated:

Sep 2010:
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Intel on Track to Release Next-Gen Chip in Late 2011
Apr 2011:
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1H '12
Also; Late-March:
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Sooner than previously expected [Q4 2011]
But I guess the Intel roadmap being the most reliable is probably the best source. I mean it can be an older roadmap.

Nevertheless with the evidence present, I retract my words and apologize. SB-E is still Q4 2011, but Ivy is Q1 2012.
Edited by born2bwild - 5/21/11 at 1:23pm
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edit lol, didn't know one of the links already included this

http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20110409intel.jpg
 
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The anticipation sucks, it just sucks. Screw the fanboy-ism...if this is real, this could be an awesome chip manufacturer duel. Not just in price, but in tech. This could be big, or AMD could just be pullin' our pisser. Either way, it's still gonna be a trip.

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Hmmm, I was going to say "meh", but this could be interesting.

THis does not add much to the 4 core consumer market, which is still dominant, but if AMD releases an affordable 6 core Bulldozer, Intel might be pushed to do wither one of two things: drastically drop the price of the Core i7 970, which is already on a soon to be replaced platform, or release a 6 core Sandy Bridge. Or perhaps the Core i7 2800k can do as well.
 
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I'll be impressed with BD if it beats or even comes close to my stock clocks scoring ~8.40 in reality since these are rumor scores... This argument can be an infinite loop with you guys and seems to be based on biased opinions. Even with this release, both companies have their roadmaps marked for future wars just like AMD vs Nvidia... Nvidia is like Intel where it is an overpriced nuclear reactor while AMD goes for the price/performance...

It sucks trying to keep up with technology...
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I'll be impressed with BD if it beats or even comes close to my stock clocks scoring ~8.40 in reality since these are rumor scores... This argument can be an infinite loop with you guys and seems to be based on biased opinions. Even with this release, both companies have their roadmaps marked for future wars just like AMD vs Nvidia... Nvidia is like Intel where it is an overpriced nuclear reactor while AMD goes for the price/performance...

It sucks trying to keep up with technology...
nVidia goes for having exploding cards(570, 590), hot power hungry cards(480), worse scaling than AMD, etc. AMD(ati) goes for the most powerful card for a price that people like $750.
    
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edit lol, didn't know one of the links already included this

http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20110409intel.jpg
Didn't realise IB was just going to be mainstream and lower performance at first.

Definitely didn't realise it would be playing second fiddle to SB-E once it was released.

Mind you, saying that, the current SB chips are playing second fiddle in some ways to the 980x and 990x. Meh.
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What's up with all you Intel fanboys and your "Octocore vs Quadcore" mindset?
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What's up with all you Intel fanboys and your "Octocore vs Quadcore" mindset?
After researching AMDs Simultaneous MuliThreading, It really does seem like its 8 real cores vs 4real/4 virtual. Even though the two "cores" are on the same module and supposedly act as a single core ... kinda.

I was excited when AMD said they would have multithreaded cores like Intel's, but to my surprise is that they are real cores and multithreaded modules.

Whatever it is, I really am rooting for AMD to bring is game back. It makes for good competition and allows consumers better products for cheaper.

Hell remember when AMD was on top and Intel was struggling , those damn FX chips cost $800+ !!
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After researching AMDs Simultaneous MuliThreading, It really does seem like its 8 real cores vs 4real/4 virtual. Even though the two "cores" are on the same module and supposedly act as a single core ... kinda.

I was excited when AMD said they would have multithreaded cores like Intel's, but to my surprise is that they are real cores and multithreaded modules.

Whatever it is, I really am rooting for AMD to bring is game back. It makes for good competition and allows consumers better products for cheaper.

Hell remember when AMD was on top and Intel was struggling , those damn FX chips cost $800+ !!
I'm not sure if your memory is too good, but when the FX CPUs were here the normal Athlon 64 and the Athlon X2 also existed, and those were very price competitive and had higher performance than what Intel offered.
    
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Yeah but its like the 1090T vs i5 750, the i5 will almost always be better in games due to very few actually taking use of more than 4 cores.
Except we have no actual idea of single thread performance, not to mention if this is real, it could also be the 6 core chip.

Add into the fact that more and more games actually use more than 4 cores (GTA IV, SupCom, etc) and I have a feeling that a lot of the people in the market for an 8 core chip will have uses other than gaming...

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I know that, in my first post I said "I think" (not that "I know), and went on to state why, which is because AMD is 1-1.5 years behind right now on their processors. I don't see AMD leaping forward that far.

I understand you that you guys are saying its a new architecture, but even a new architecture might not make up that much ground. We'll just have to see I guess.

I want Bulldozer to beat Intel as bad as the rest of you, competition is great, but I'm just trying to be realistic about it's chances to beat Sandy Bridge.
I don't believe it'll beat SB, I believe it'll be practically equal to it, with SB maybe overclocking a bit better but BD far pulling ahead when you use more cores.

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Amd will most likely make up in architecture with core count. It's been that way for a while.
Not really, new archtecture brings new rules, AMD has made a new way of putting cores into the die while taking less space up (Modules) which as the exact same purpose as HT.

And keep in mind that the 8 core has 4 modules, you can't really compare Intel to AMD based on core counts any more because what does count as a core? If we go by what it always was, AMD has 4 cores with additional hardware to make an extra 4 (slightly slower) cores appear to the OS, just like Intel with the 2600K, if we say pipelines are cores, AMD has 8 integer cores and 4 floating point ones and Intel has 4 of both types, etc.

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Meanwhile, I don't see it happening. I think Intel posted profits last year that amount to the full total of AMD's deficit. They just don't have the R&D funds to compete with Intel on their level, anymore. And if Bulldozer DOES turn out to thrash Intel's chips, Intel will slash their prices to an insane level and out price AMD's chips.
Uh, AMD has never had the R&D funds compatible to Intel, they've still competed...And AMD has a decent amount of cash coming in now they've got ATI, considering ATI has had decent GPU series' the last 3 releases.

While I don't think the difference between BD and SB will be noticeable overall, keep in mind Intel has a lot more they're sinking that R&D budget into than AMD, they have to catch up in GPUs to Llano (AMD already had the experience with GPUs thanks to buying ATI)

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AMD = Price
Intel = Performance.

AMD got lucky once. I love AMD, but i dont think bulldozer will be able to outperform Sandy. Especially Ivy. You get what you pay for.
Lucky once? Uh...You do realize that from the K6 to the Athlon64, AMD had similar or faster chips than Intel that were priced cheaper? They dropped the ball with K10, no different than Intel dropping the ball with the P4.

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Ya but if bulldozer is actualy faster, which at this point looks possible,
that will piss intel off.

So intel will do something about it.
It will either release 6core sb,

or release ivy bridge early, and dont say it wont be ready, I have already seen a video from intel of 3 ivy bridge computers running windows and games, Can you say the same for buldozer?
Show us that video then. And make sure it has proof it's actually IB, not just someone editing a program to say that.

And Intel and AMD will both have engineering samples of IB and BD, respectively, the IB ones probably are still low clocked (The first time we saw Nehalem, I'm fairly sure it was at 1Ghz) and Intel are probably still working out the bugs in it (eg. Phenom II started off as B2, there was A1, A2, A3, B0, B1 before release iirc) which happens to every chip.

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Everyone seems to have forgotten about Sandy-Bridge EX.
If the price rumor of BD are true, it'll be way more expensive than BD and besides, last I heard it was just normal SB with 8 cores and quad channel RAM.

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Um, no. No one could say if it's faster or slower.

What you seem to be blatantly forgetting is that SB is also a new architecture. So what you got is two new architectures. And unlike AMD, Intel has been using a new architecture with almost every release at least since the Core 2s.
Core 2 was a heavily tweaked P3, and while I think Nehalem was a completely new architecture, SB isn't. It'd take far too long for them to make it, there's parts in SB that are just be tweaked parts from Nehalem, I bet.
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